I support you dahu!

I have the same issue understanding the stack up model.

Hey dahu and ionutpeia! Great to have you on this project!

Yes, we're trying to get the additional 3d data ASAP!

Re: your questions: 1) It's a modular stack-up concept. Stack it as you like - as long as it's logical! For that, we provided the system overview. The two boxes in the colored model are 2 water tanks - a fixed and a detachable part. That was one idea, you don't have to follow that! 2) Right, the lines aren't super precise. Will get you better outlined material. 3) The size of the mug is 1.2 liters (405 oz). 4) How are the filters changed? That one is up to you! 5) It's not fixed, on which side you fill in the beans in the water - however, as the majority is right-handed, the right side is preferred.

Rushing to get you better materials. In the meantime you can start brainstorming - thrilled to see your designs!

thank you for your feedback :) Ok if I got you right the parts can be organized differently?! Then I think it is absolutely demanding to illustrate what parts are the one that can be moved (what are single "lego-briks"). Therefore I guess the dimentions of the single "briks" need to be known. Without this I see a lot of wasted time with a halftimefeedback saying this or that isn´t working.... It´s a very promising Idea but also a very demanding breefing which I think needs a way better decryption! But I now you´ll get this done :)

Exactly. I'm on it ;)

Hey krzysztofwrobel, exactly, don't worry about the engineering, "only" the design. That comes with enough mandatory requirements already ;) Looking forward to your submission!

Ok !thanks for the reply! My translator [ google:) from English to Polish translators differently :). Now I understand. Ok!!!!!. Good luck from Poland

Hey shorter, we managed to get a hold of the 3d data and uploaded STEP files, PDFs and a motion study. Have a look at the download material section!

Nothing appeared during Monday night, we would like to have all the information so the proposal would be even technical allright, not just aestethical.

I know, I'm chasing after the material myself, believe me. I was just promised that it'd be there in a couple of hours, so stay tuned!

Ok, we are going to wait a litlle more. Thank you.

We're tuned!! :)

Have a look at the download material section, the 3d data is there now!

Hey Remy, Of course it is allowed to use "best practice" options from existing technologies, e.g. the "Rain shower" brewing method... only restriction is that we cannot integrate any "pressure" brew methods in our machine. Looking forward to your submission!

Hey Remy, you can upload them, but only upon downloading the PDF people can see the interactivity... so maybe a video format works better.

... and as always you find it in the 'Download Material' section ;)

... also just added another STEP file for the water filter. It is just a schematic diagram as sizes aren't fix yet. You can position it yourself, but it needs to be between the tank and the heating unit of course. If necessary, you can install the heating unit a bit lower for that.

Hei! I have analised i bit the content of the machine and have two questions: Where is heating unit for roasting and how roasting process will look like ( vertical mixing, horizontal, someone another? And second question is how the dosage of beans will organised? Machine will roast all beans in tank? Or only the part of the beans, ehat is needed for 1 jug?

Thank you so much for 3d parts and schemes!!!!

Thank you so much Natalie for the 3d parts - I have inspired by it yesterdat night and designed one click only super-automatic variant of my machine! Thanks again for inspiration!

Hey EvgeniLeonov, sorry for the delay in answering your question. Here we go: the roasting unit is vertical (as to be seen in the 3d data) and how the dosage of the beans is to be organized we hope to hear from you ;) - all of the beans filled into the roasting chamber will be roasted, ground and brewed. One pot is approx 60gr of beans (6gr per cup, 10 cups in a pot). But what if you want to get only half a pot out of the machine? Think about a solution here, curious to see it!

No feedback from Jergus, the tech engineer regarding our proposals and feasibility?

Yes, he's amongst us already ;) I will ask him to have a closer look at your machine!

Pleasure and thanks for your patience!

hey musicart3d, noooot sure I get all of your questions. I'll try. 1 - private households and offices first. Restaurants later ;) 2 - all measurements can be found in the 3d data that's been provided for download in the briefing above. 3 - now you got me thinking. what do you mean? can you try to word your question in a different way? sorry :)

Ayay Remy, I think you're going way too much into the technical details here. What we need from you is a unique design that is not only appealing but answers the operating questions above (how do I take out the water tank, how's the water filter detachable, how do I make cleaning hassle-free), so everything on usability but not on how the technique works. Build a housing for the technique and think about great user design, that's enough already! Hope that answers your question?

Hi, I realise that my questioning sometimes may seem a bit far fetched, can raise some irritation or even seem as critique, but that 's really not my intention. They are about usabilty, safety and innovation, issues that can only be solved by adressing it integrally which in my oppinion almost equals a sustainable approach and therefor also have an ethical* dimension to it. The breefing is not only about styling, is it?

So here is what was going through my mind: - Is there a risk for users to burn(150°C) there fingers, then how to prevent this from happening? - Is there room for change of mind or user error? "I know I'm not perfect!" How can you take out an amount of beans when your gut feeling says the beans to water ratio is to high or handling and mind where not jet in sync at 5:30 in the morning? Scooping beans out with a teaspoon doesn't seem very userfriendly to me if possible at all. So perhaps you can take out the container, but if it has a hole in it because the beans have fall into the grinder, that wouldn' work too! - The roasting degree depends on the amount of heat, the temperature, the time, the movement, the amount of coffee and the coffee brand. Is there a weighing sensor in the machine, if not how can you control these parameters? Next to the auditive(popping sound) a visual check would be the most obvious, so you need a little window, but where should it be placed if knowing know the inner life of the roasting unit? - The disposing of the chaff and residue in one go means one action less and less user error because of forgetting to empty the chaff chamber. Understanding how the the chaff gets into the drawer is essential to come up with a working sollution for that.(appart from the implications it might have for the position of the glass) - Does the grinder need some periodically cleaning? Coffee contains oil and can be a little sticky.

*How big the scope of responsebilty for a designer is, and to what consequences, can only be answered by each individually, and on the basis of being good informed(transparency).

Hello Remy,

Thank you for your commitment. I will come straight to the points :

1. As a preventive action there should be a grid above the roasting unit.

2. There is a possibility, to take out the amount of beans, if you construct for example a filppable roasting unit.

3. Our roasting degree follows a perfect temperature to time relation which is transmittable to all.

4. The grinder does not need any periodically cleaning. Don't bother about that.

We're happy to help you.

Cheers

Thanx Jergus,

I'll interpret the grid solution as an illustration for "hissss, au, hot, hot, hot".

A few questions remain and new pop up: 1. Flipping the roasting unit as a whole or just the container with beans? 2. Free to decide the flipping direction (where can the pivot be projected)? 3. Is it possible to place the chaff drawer next to the filter unit? (in fact constructing a new unit containing the two) 4. No 'chaff cutter' and 'electronics' like in the original stack-up concept? (reserve free space?)

Tehe, no not at all. As you're roasting only 60 gramm, it takes around 3-4 minutes to roast them. No need to get up in the middle of the night to prepare your coffee!

Tobias: this link might be useful, it contains a lot of information about coffee roasting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_roasting

i suppose i can hold out for 3 more mins.. thanks

ssss - your ideaSSSS.

nsonne, please and very very please. Bashed idea in action. my idea in 3 days down to much. only 1 rating make it down 3 level. 2 rating down 4 level. i'm sad.. :(

hey guzzangga, we actually just checked the ratings and they were fine! you know it's not necessarily bashing if your rating changes... but we'll have another look at the ratings!

Thanks nsonne :)

Great new (and free) tool to fix and view models before additive manufacturing. http://labs.autodesk.com/utilities/miller

hey tobiasvon, thanks for that - but as indicated in the briefing, they produced 135 prototypes already, so no need for printing the designs - the design should just indicate how the machine is supposed to look like, that's why we need sketches / drawings, too and not just photorealistic renderings (Kickstarter doesn't allow for that if the machine doesn't exist like that already).

Totally agree with dahu, hope the answer comes soon.

Hey dahu, you are absolutely completely right. So far we've seen a lot of amazing designs, but the technical implementation (adaption dimensions as you say as well as solving the usability questions we ask in the briefing) still mostly remains to be tackled. So the goal is (B)! This is the next step guys - now that you have the 3d data, please adapt your designs to the right dimensions! That said, Bonaverde is going to select the Early Bird winner, but they would love to select it at least from the Top 10 community favorites, so when you rate, please keep feasibility in mind! Thanks for pointing it out dahu, I will emphasize it more.

Hey Remy, you found their prototype ;) On the bottom of the coffeegeek.com link, the last comment with the picture of the machine - that's one of the earliest early prototypes. They had them produced in South Corea, at one point they also had a couple of them get stolen, and however they got onto Alibaba who knows - but it's in fact their prototype. Any more specific questions you had? I'm having their engineer look at your questions above.

Thanks Nsonne, Was sort of reaching boilingpoint myself, but this gives a bit of hope again.

Can we also get an official statement about the time to let the CO2 degass, which has an huge impact on taste(sweetness)?

Looking forward for the engineers' answers.

When can I expect some answers?

Hello Remy,

the entire maximum time for the degas process is 60 sec.

Cheers.

I support your point! I made my documentation and seems that after roasting coffee beans should stay like minimum 24H and then grind it.

yea, seems like the ideal machine would have an auto mode for one touch operation and a manual mode where you can take out the roasted beans and grind and brew separately. That gives connoisseurs control over the cure time, and if you run out of raw beans, you could also use roasted beans which are easier to find in stores. Also, I'm sure I'd want to share my roasted beans with others too, and if I'm in a hurry in the morning, i'd skip the roast process and go straight to grind and brew.

This is a STEP-fleformat (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_for_the_Exchange_of_Product_Model_Data) and its content is (usually ;) ) a text file. So the only thing you got to do is to right-click the link and save the file using a .step or .stp extension. Hope that helps?

Not really :-) If I do right-click and save as..... it saves as a *.txt file and I can not change the extension. For the rest of the files I can just click on it and it downloads.

OK... after you saved it as a text file with extension .txt.... simply switch to the folder, click on the file and change its extension to .stp/.step. That should do as a workaround... ;)

The reason why the browser does not accept a regular download (as you state above) is - the browser recognizes the content as text and therefore it doesn't download but show it directly in the browser. To ensure it can be used as a regular download the jovoto team would have to zip a small file and place it as a zip file... then the regular download would work...

Yes, exactly, I agree. But the work-around worked. I was able to open it in a CAD program and it looked like a filter. Thanks for your help...

Great to hear, John! Happy I could help and you're welcome :)

Hello Malindis

quick and short :

1. The engine is one of the smallest and has to be that big, which can supply us enough force to grind the beans.

2. You can try this one, but the air vent system must be located at the back.

Best Regards

Jergus

Good question. I hope they will answer soon...

hey oxelot, the silver chaffs pop off at every roasting, just imagine them like the skin that pops off corn when making pop corn! So if you find a way to release these silver chaffs into the ground after brewing, you would simply throw it out with the coffee. If not, it depends on the size of the drawer ;) The air filter would have to be changed after every 30th use, so approx once a month, hence it should be easily accessible. Hope that answers your questions!

Haha yes, you're completely right. No, we're not referring to the novel's content at all, we just fell in love with the title itself (and the familiarity with it, as everybody knows the title "brave new world"), it has no further meaning - shame on us ;)

hey tobiasvon, yes, midnight CET today is the deadline. We couldn't be more excited!

drumroll.................

Yes, we finally have a video of how to operate the prototype! Just posted it here, check it out! Re: the other questions, I will ask Jergus to answer them!

Hey C8H10N4O2, the sizes of all elements will stay the same - you are completely right to ask that question. This needs to be considered in all submissions, feasibility is as important as design!

Thank you very much Xavier !!! :)

Indeed .

Thank you very much novatos.

Hi Robhoski,

That certainly is your own opinion and to each his own-- However, here on the platform to create a respectful and fun environment for everyone, your opinion is welcome but we expect it in an objective and respectful way. Simply criticizing an idea or the choice of a client isn't. Please re-think your your tonality and means of communication before you hit submit.

Best, Jess

Okay - lets see if I can be more politically correct:

I don't care for this design at all. I wonder if it was chosen because the internal components fit more easily into a boxy shape? It doesn't strike me as very unique or visually appealing. That's just my opinion, but it seems there were many attractive designs to choose from, so I wonder how this one came out on top? It's true there were a lot of drawings and details in the winning submission, and this makes me think that perhaps the shear volume of materials presented may have been the strongest contributing factor in choosing this deign. Unfortunately, I doubt many consumers would like to purchase such a hulking box for their counter top, regardless of it's functionality.

Better?

Hey Robhoski, it is part of the task to comply with the requirements, so yes it is crucial that all technical components fit and all handling questions are considered. There are several incredibly beautiful designs that unfortunately neither took the right dimensions, nor any of the usability factors, nor the production cost under $100 into consideration - so they couldn't be selected. Whether the design is boxy or hulking is your personal opinion - Bonaverde loved the design and so does the community, the idea has been in the top 10 steady from the beginning. So no, not the volumen of of materials, but the exact adaptation of the task PLUS the creation of a beautiful design got them the well deserved award.

Better and true. :)

BUT.......the client is king. ;)

True that the client is king, but there's another old saying that often proves true: "too many cooks spoil the broth." Group decisions often lead to mediocrity and you end up with a vanilla idea when you were hoping for tutti fruity. That happens when you try to distill everyone's opinions down into a compromise. It's like ordering a pizza for a group, you end up with something generically acceptable everyone.

Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder.

It's CVAG with their Futura Bonaverde (http://bonaverde.jovoto.com/ideas/31565). Hope that helps, Christin?! ;)

CONGRATS CVAG =D

Thanks ChristinWeller !

Agreed - how hard would it be to provide the exact dimensions of the internal parts and explain that they need to fit inside the design?

Oxelot, Robhoski, we provided the exact dimensions on day 5 of the challenge and asked you to just do brainstorming before that. We always said that the stack up was flexible, the dimensions were not. No need to bring in negative vibes by the end of the project now, rather try to polish your submissions over the last days! Thanks!

Hey ZinghDesign, you are right, the Kickstarter project hasn't started yet, but it will today / latest tomorrow. Spoiler: they waited to sign their first manufacturer which happened yesterday! That means if the project is successfully funded, they can go right into tooling. And they're ready to go now, just some last refinements - I will let you know once the project launches! Thanks for being so interested!!

OK! very good !! Is the manufacturing in Asia or Europe ??

It's CVAG with their Futura Bonaverde (http://bonaverde.jovoto.com/ideas/31565) to repost the comment of InDesign

ChristinWeller: in already knew the early-bird winner :-) My question was related to where the product wel be produced after succesful Kickstarter funding . This could be in Asia offcourse or in Europe.. Just out of interest..

ZinghDesign, it's a European manufacturer!

Thanks Nathalie, nice to know.. did not expect that but I like it...

totally agree with you!!! A second voting seems suitable (I´ll do my "homework" tomorrow ;)

The core design philosophy of Dieter Rams is function over form. So you all set yourself up to failure when your goal is to imitate his "style". There is no Dieter Rams style. He approached every design task differently, and never intended to develop a personal signature. Hence none of the Jovoto entries are worthy of claiming any comparison to Dieter Rams. What many of you did instead was - visually quote some memorable elements from his most famous designs. That is not good design practice in general. Neither is Jovoto a serious place to go for design. So I have no complaints.

Love the caffeinated owls.. :)))

27% FUNDED in 6 hours. hello? I think we have a winner.

I agree with you .

XAAAAVIERRRRR THANK YOU FOR YOUR ENTHUSIASMMMM :D Yes, it's been a completely overwhelming success for the team so far! It's not over yet, you can still back the project if you like >> kickstarter.bonaverde.com

And thank you for your patience guys, we're onto the rating monitoring and will announce the winners ASAP!

THANKS DEAR NATH!!! I WANT TO BACK THE PROJECT, BUT I SAW THAT THE 1ST 100 FUTURA BONAVERDE ARE ALREADY SOLD OUT($250). SO, THE NEXT PLEDGE IT $300 BUT INCLUDES THE CVAG EARLY BIRD DESIGN?... I WANT THAT SO WOULD BE GREAT THAT IT DOES... PLEASE LET ME KNOW... A BIG HUG!!! YOURS!!! :) XAVIER

Hey Xavier, yes of course, in all packages it's always CVAG's Futura design! So with the $300 you get what you were looking for :) Thanks so much!

This was a great contest! Congrats to the Bonaverde team and all winner!

Big congrats to all the winner and of course to Bonaverde team and their huge success.

this is exactly

No, I have same problem....

Sorry for the delay guys - it'll be there very soon, please be a bit more patient! Thank you!!

COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what is so cool alex??? danke für die info eric! ganz schön erschreckende geschäftspraktiken!!! hier ist auch noch was nettes: http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2014/09/49558-backers-rebel-bonaverde-coffee-machine-alters-design-post-crowdfunding-campaign/

Hi NOAKA, As far as the final design, we do not see it as a copied idea and therefore- Our main concern is that you, the creatives are compensated for your ideas on the platform. And as this is the case in this project- once it leaves our platform, it is out of our hands how the client implements the idea, or not- in this case. All the best, Jess