Hello everyone and welcome to this exciting crowdstorm of developing an all product designers’ favorite object: a seating bench.
My name is Philipp, I am a product designer and have been working in the field of design and prototyping for many years (you can find some of my work here). The focus of my work lies in the process from creating visionary ideas right up to production. As a freelancer I’ve worked in the field from realizing big scaled unique art pieces to small give-aways that are produced by the thousands. As your creative guide I am happy to share my experience in furniture making and product design with you.
„Mark the Bench“ is challenging task for which we ask you to design a seating-bench for Sparda-Bank that works as an iconic image for their advertisement campaign as well as a real piece of furniture for Sparda-Bank customers.
Designing a bench is always a great exercise as it is one of the most basic pieces of furniture subjected to requirements such as ergonomics or feasibility. But restrictions bring out the best of creativity!
In my experience it is a good start to look at the briefing and begin developing your ideas one topic at a time and incorporate the others step by step. In each restriction already lies a new approach. I am confident you will come up with many great concepts!
Please show us your vision of a Sparda-Bank by implementing it in the templates for a advertisement campaign and the lobby. Also give us a description of how you think it can be produced and at what costs.
Remember, I am here for you to answer your questions, give you advice and doing my best to help you developing a great solution. Together we will create some outstanding pieces that add real value to the Sparda-Bank lobbies.
I am looking forward to your see ideas and working with you. If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to contact me.
All the best, Philipp
Well you are welcome in this crazy but beautiful world of Jovoto =))) and you have nice designs too, congrats =))))
We're happy to have you onboard, it's very exciting to work with someone from our community! Welcome :) Looking forward to see how you share your skills and tips from being a Berlin-based product designer in this exciting project!
Thank you for the quick introduction!
Well, I am very happy to be here ;)
Hi, Philipp. Did the bank have a range of dimensions that it prefers? Or number of people it feels the bench should comfortably seat? Or is the plan to use it as a symbol, and not so much as a seat? Thanks.
Yes, as it says in the briefing:
think about at least two people that are able to sit comfortably next to each other. Otherwise, as long as it's transportable, we don't want to limit possibilities!
And they really want to use it as a piece of furniture which they can place it in the lobbies of their branches or possibly on events. So think about durability and weight, too.
Does that help?
it is really cool to see you here. what tonality? max. weight for transport? should the design be unique if the bench is reproducible?
Hi Unlime, it's good too see you're considering taking part.
The goal is to create an "iconic" bench for Sparda-Bank, that works as a real bench and in an advertisment campaign. Try to incorporate the core assets of Sparda-Bank (Stability and security, Professionalism, Closeness, Cooperative, Regionality) and make it memorable and stand out.
The design could be unique and the bench reprducible. However, we want to hear your idea of how it will be made, too.
So if you have a great concept that makes every bench unique in way, but combines all of them through recurring elements, and this can be done with reasonable costs, tell us about it. It sounds like a goot shot too me.
Concerning the weight: We didn't set a limit there. It is maybe best to think about it in context to your concept. If it is still convincing even though your bench is really heavy, then we're good. If your design would be feasible in a lighter version, use the lighter version.
Cool Project! Brainstorming already.
Do we have to use the submission template?
A must or only if we want to?
Hi Tigersan! Nice that you like the project! So I understand we will see a lot of good submissions from you, right ; )
You can start to upload your concept in any artistic style and perspective, to get my feedback and suggestions or the one of the other jovotans.
But (!) for the halftime feedback, at the latest, you need to have the submission template. It helps us and the client to compare the ideas and find the ones that fit best to the vision of Sparda-Bank.
But additional pictures always are good to sell your design and present it from its best side!
Looking forward to your submissions!
Thank you Philip!
I am quite impressed how quickly the submissions come in! Very well, keep it going!
I feel like the last question (above, from Tigersan) concerns everybody, so I will repeat my answer at this point.
The project template (with the two pictures, lobby and advertisement) is mandatory for the evaluation. That beeing said, other (additional) forms of presentation are most welcome and usefull, as they can present your design from its best perspective.
Thanks for the many submissions!
Talk soon, Philipp
Hi Philipp, When is halftime feedback, or did I miss it somewhere in the brief?
The deadline for your submissions to be considered for the halftime feedback will be December the 28th at 2 pm.
So there is plenty of time for you to bring in some nice designs. Looking forward to it!
It is nice to see all your concepts coming in and the width of your ideas! There are a lot of concepts I would have never thought about, and I am curious to see these even go further.
As promised I will provide you with some insights from my experience. Let's start with the development of ideas. Usually, with a complicated briefing like this, one wants to solve all the problems at once. That makes it even more difficult, because one idea would stand in the way of the other or be abandoned for another specification of the briefing and so on.
My suggestion is to take the briefing apart into its single aspects, like a functional analysis, and then develop plenty, but small ideas for every topic. This way you will get many many touching points that could work as a stand alone solution or be combined to another concept.
For example have a look at the main topic:
A bench that works as a key visual for the Sparda-Bank campaign:
For the campaign, the bench will have to be recognisable as such, even in a printed version out of context (not standing in a lobby)
What makes a bench a bench besides the funktion of sitting on it?
How can it be identified as a bench?
What does the archetype of a bench look like?
Does it have a backrest? a armrest?
Does it have single seats or one long seating surface?
Is it upholstered or solid?
What is a bench made of?
What additional features could a bench have, but still be recognised as a bench?
You can probably tell where I am going with this. Behind each question already lie a couple of concepts. How much of the appearance of a "standard" bench can you change, but it would still be a bench?
Two examples that illustrate what I mean, have a look at the work of
Jeppe Hein - Benches
Nendo - Chair Garden
The benches by Jeppe Hein are very far away of beeing benches. Still they absolutely can be identified as such, why?
The Chair Garden of Nendo shows, what happens if you play with the features. A stool grows a beckrest - it becomes a chair, if you double the seat - it becomes a bench....
I hope this is inspiring!
Keep up the good work!
Thank you Philipp =)
Thanks Philipp. When developing an idea or concept, the more information you get is always helpful. Thanks for the info!
It is nice to see all the ideas and different directions you take. There is a great variety and I am exited to see what other ideas you will come up with.
I like to see the projects on jovoto not only as a way to earn cash prizes, but also as a great opportunity to build a portfolio work on ones skills and develop new ones.
That's why I put together and uploaded a "Tips & Basics" slide to the download material, showing some ways to present your concepts. You can find it here
It contains some simple and basic ways to present your concepts. The idea behind it is to keep your audience in mind. Your client does not know what you were thinking or what your inspiration was. I remember many times when I've sent out a design to a client forgetting at least one the mentioned aspects...
You can understand it as a checklist that helps you to mention every piece that might be important for your audience.
Personally I really like the moodboard part. It is such a simple tool that can be used in many stages of a project. The good thing about it is, that it transports a lot of "soft" information, like the look and feel, which hardly can communicate with drawing or words. Even though you don't have a design yet it already gives a good impression of what the end product will look like. I think this could help especially when trying to work out a nice colour/material mix with the orange and blue of Sparda-Bank.
I've seen many of you are using all of these tools already. And that's another good way to use jovoto to improve your skills: check out the other presentations. This is positive competition. You can learn a lot from your co-creatives! There are some real pros amongst you!
Have a look at how they are presenting their ideas.
I hope you find this usefull. And remember, for any questions I am here for you, just text me.
Thanks for the tips!
BTW the bench I used for the visualisations is by Enzo Mari and the concept is called "autoprogettazione", which means something like self-construction. It is like an early HarzIV möbel. He's one of my favourite designers, you should look him up.
Another thing: Halftime Feedback Deadline is on Tuesday 28th 2pm, so plenty of time to make nice presentations. And remember the Tips&Basics are tips and basics, the project template is mandatory ;)
The 28th is Wednesday.
sorry, but i can't find hashtags for this project...
what do you mean with hashtags?
the week is coming to an end and tomorrow not only weekend, but christmas! Yay!
To those who celebrate, I wish you a many quality presents ; )
And of course a great time with your family&friends.
And to everybody all the best,
Hi Philipp, Great message. I've been thinking a lot about all the friends and family of the Jovoto community in Berlin, and wishing and hoping that the recent events didn't touch their life. So sad...It's hard to think of the right words. So to all...Keep living your life, be happy, and be safe. Happy Holidays to all!
Meant to say...recent events didn't touch their lives. I hate it when that happens!
Also Happy New Year!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year my friends! :]
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to everybody, enjoy your time with your family / your beloved ones :)
Oh Oh OOhhh... Merry Christmas to all!!
merry christmas and a happy new year to all!!
Philipp, can you please clarify submission requirements for halftime? In the package there is a template that is half 2d ad (with placeholder text) and half an image of a bank lobby. Is this the only image that is mandatory? Can the halves be submitted separately or do they have to be in the same document? Are we supposed to replace the placeholder text with something relevant to our design? Thanks!
only the slide with two pics on it is mandatory.
Left-advertisement, right bank-lobby, it should stay as one page. Bringing the designs down to one template helps us and the client to compare the ideas (and there are many!).
how you get your design into that picture - doesn't matter. Can be a high end animation like many do, a sketch or you can even take a photo of a paper model.
The placeholder text can stay as it is, but if you want you can add some words that improve your presentation.
I've just learned about Jovoto and this project. I'd love to submit my proposal but I'm not quite sure I can finish it till the 28th. Is the halftime feedback mandatory or how does it work?
the halftime feedback is not mandatory.
But you can start with your project using some "easy" visualizations like sketches and develop your ideas further bit by bit, instead of uploading a finished concept.
This way you might be quicker than the 28th?
Merry Christmas everybody and a Happy Creative New Year!!
Great thoughts for you all and best wishes! Free your mind and create your desired year!
I would suggest to all friends and colleagues that this is not a RENDER CONTEST, for those who create the most beautiful little drawing with 3D Studio, Maya or anything else.
This is a FURNITURE DESIGN CONTEST, so you have to assess the FEASIBILITY, ORIGINALITY, the customer demand for STABILITY, EYE-CATCHING APPEARANCE, CLOSENESS, CO-OPERATIVES.
Being an architect and seeing these things very often I realize that we are here to a little child level where only the little good drawing wins a candy from the teacher .
Evaluated the design in a deep and consistent manner, please, and stop with "wow super render! 10!"
peace & love
Honestly i do not see any meaning where they need this community voting here. It is not very professional way to choose any winners. People vote persons, friends, rendering skills etc. Most of the voters have not any knowledge about structures, interior design, architecture etc. Group of few people seems to win most of the contest here, no matter of category of the contest ;)
peace and <3
We do our best to keep the voting fair. You are right on that:
The community might vote for a project differently than the expert or jury, and that is the reason why we have a community prize, to give more power to the creatives.
We also know how important it is for our community that the rating process is fair, if it's not, we will lose great creatives like you.
We do do our best to keep the voting fair and are improving our methods every day, if you're interested you can find more about the process here
I hope that helps to eliminate a few of your doubts and makes clear why we have the community prizes.
I can not argue about taste but it makes no sense that your winners are always same few members. Unfortunately I lost my interest up to now. I wish you could delete both of my projects in contest. It is not very motivating to see rates 5+. It is just offensive :(
A little hard comment of Thommaso Ballatore, but he is right ...
Virtually everything is up and everything seems doable, but in reality things are not so simple ... Do not forget that even if it is "simple" bench, people there have to be seated!
And it must be possible to construct the object.
One can not however, prevent anyone propose their own idea, rather the problem is in the ratings...
Good renderings and 3D visualisations are indeed nice to look at, and they increase your chance to "sell" your design, the community or the client...
As Tommaso and Mario have mentioned, there is a little more to create a simple bench than just a good rendering. To to be able to win the jury prize and to have your idea turned into a reality one must be able to turn it into reality.
The jury is having a very close look on your ideas and how it fits to the idea of Sparda-Bank, the quality of renderings is not taken into account. It really is about the idea and feasability.
As usual, you can submit your projects in any artistic style, but keep in mind how it will be made and used, this is the challenge.
I hope this helps, I see many good submissions so far, keep it up!
=D good point!!!!
Suffice to say, it is pointless to ask those who are capable of quality render output to dumb themselves down for those who can't - any architect and|or designer worth their salt would have noticed the direct effect a quality presentation has over the last decade or so. Just ask the starchitects and their army of CAD monkeys.
If one's approach to design appreciation is fanboyism, then obviously this would be an issue, but if the rhetoric is started by the statement that as an architect and|or designer we shouldn't be swayed by fancy visuals, isn't that oxymoronic when the given is that we are architects and|designers who won't be swayed in the first place?
So who is the criticism addressed to - the judges?
It's more a reflection of inadequacy to ask people to do things with their own designs, and a little presumptuous to think the actual judges and stakeholders are that naive.
Even if they are, it's their money, not yours or mine - again, even multi-million environments built by starchitects have flaws after the fact and past the approval of teams of engineers.
Design for the sake of design and focus on one's entry to ensure it is the best design possible to oneself. All the best.
Hello people. Can anybody tell me what do the icons and nombers under my ideas mean? The star and the other one, I mean. Thanx
1st icon - comments number
2nd icon - your ranking
3rd icon - your average rate
Exactly! Thanks Iulian!
The higher the nomber the best rating and ranking is?
You are so right!
Your Halftime Feedback has arrived!
Please have a look in the briefing section, where we added it.
It is also time to announce the Halftime Feedback Award Winners:
Unlime with Vibe - Especially the color effect through the inside-outside effect convinced the jury. They are sure that this would create a unique object, suitable for their plans to use it in campaigns and as a real product.
Polygon with S-Type - It is an interesting concept clearly recognizable as a bench yet very unique, interesting and beautiful.
Congratulations! I will give you more detailed feedback in the comments on your projects.
All the Best, Philipp
Dear Philip, I'm speachless because both idea have not upload the template, as said it was mandatory.... And the idea S-tipe have answer NO question. The briefing said: "However, to be able to win the jury prize and to have your idea turned into a reality, the presentation of your Sparda-Bench must make clear:
how the bench will be built
what materials are necessary to build it
how production costs can be kept within a reasonable range".
I know its the halftime, but I think, In my opinion is a not professional selection. I'm sorry but I came out of the contest.
Alle the best
I agree with Tommaso. Such a blatant disregard for the very rules that you set up is unconscionable. You could have commended Vibe and S-Type for their efforts and recognized them as potentially standout designs and given the half-time awards to creatives that actually complied with your rules. I say "potentially" because Polygon did not even spend the time to answer the questions that are required for submittal. I spent the good part of a day getting my submissions into your "required" templates. I have entered a number of projects on Jovota and I am used to community ratings that seem to be based on friendship and pure visual appeal, but I was counting on you and the jury to follow your own guidelines.
I have to agree with the comments above that this jury choice isn't really comprehensible . In both submissions i can hardly find the core assets Sparda-Bank has mentioned in the briefing beside the use of both colors. Stability? S-Type seams to fly in space. There is just one rendering from the top perspective. No further views that can give an idea of how this would become a stable bench. Vibe - at the moment - are a lot of pieces that as far as i can see are not connected at all. The look of this concept will clearly change if connecting structure will be added. Closeness? With its curved seating Vibe creates different levels what i wouldn't call communication at one eye level. Not something that i would communicate if i would be the bank.
But hey, it's just a briefing and banks are a save place to take care of our money. ;)
yes, the project template is, as always, compulsory, so are the answers. You should decide yourself, when voting, how missing templates or answers will affect your rating. The same thing goes for the quality and depth of presentation, rendering or if the idea fits the briefing.
That beeing said, the jury can see all your entries, no matter how well executed. And for them, the decision was a very clear one. By choosing these two designs they wanted to show what a Sparda-Bank Jury winner would have to look like.
The designs of the two halftime winners give a very good impression of what is prefered by the jury, and I believe show a clear direction. Which is an important insight for the remaining time of the challenge and the comments.
With all due respect for the winners, I agree with my colleagues above. I don't have nothing against their ideas, in fact they look promising and well done. But in my opinion, ideas, which win half-time award (any award!), SHOULD correspond to the briefing. Else, it creates bad precedent and bad work atmosphere, because some people try to cover all the mandatory requirements, lose time and efforts to fill out templates, think of brief pain points, etc. and then you see a winner - other idea which doesn't fill all requirements. It is bad, really. It happened before in Coca-Cola, it happened before in other projects as well and I believe this practise should stop right now, because otherwise why take care to cover everything the brief asked from us?
An easy solution will be to announce that the clients (or jovoto? ;)) are free to choose whatever they want for half-time award and relation to the brief doesn't matter for this prize. But it has to be announced beforehand, creatives should know about it. And my suggestion could only work for half-time award, not for final prizes - if we continue to choose winners who don't fit the brief, where are we going?
Well said wildyracing!
To be fair, this is the Jovoto model - I am probably one of the few that's been here since 2011, and I can say this has been the same problem since then. I only posted again now because a survey showed up on my email asking why I haven't been back in years and curiosity got the better of me.
So to answer the question of direction, Jovoto is going where it has always gone the last five to six years.
That said, this is not dissimilar to most commissions in the world, which is why my inputs have been about designing what fits you as the designer, finding your portfolio as opposed to designing to win per se.
What's different is that Jovoto has always claimed to have a community and to listen to them, which is patronising when examples like these still show up. Personally, nothing is worse to me as a designer than have a commissioning party try to talk and act your friend after screwing you over, which is why I'd rather designers here stop being arrogant and throw each other under the bus but unite their so-called voices against the so-called system.
If that is what you actually want - years of seeing the same motions, comments, rhetoric and eventual empty resolve compels me to try and save you time.
Figure it out, but stop being childish and assume that screaming and kicking is going to win this for you - either you want your voice to be heard or you want to win.
Choose, be realistic and all the best.
For sure the jury is free to choose the favorite ideas. That is the job of a jury. ;) What bothers me and other creatives is the fact that the decision - from our perspective - does not correspond with the briefing. So the only "inside" i can see is, that the client/the jury/jovoto is not willing to follow the own guidlines. It's just a fact and now that we all know that, everyone can decide if he or she will continue working under conditions like that.
Great argument voto!
The Halftime Award is about getting your ideas out there early to be able to gather as much feedback from the client as possible. Ideas submitted before halftime do not have to be finished ideas but should show a direction of where you want to go. Then with the feedback from the client, you can develop it further and finish it before the end of the project.
What I can take away from this discussion though, is that we will be more clear about what is mandatory, and when an idea should be considered complete in the future.
Hope you're having a great start into 2017 and all the best,
a great 2017 for you too.
I think the discussion was not about finshed or unfinished. That was another contest ;)
In this case, the question is, why do you create extensive briefings with lots of guidlines and details, if at the end most of these things don't play a role when it comes to decisions? My proposal for a briefing for this contest:
Create an extraordinary looking and at the same time comfortable and stable bench for at least 2 persons that can be used inside a bank and for outdoor promotion activity as well. Use the two corporate colors from Sparda Bank. The maximum production cost is about 1000 €.
Short, easy and not missleading. So in addition to the "finished/unfinished" discussion, you can maybe shorten the briefings. To much "blabla" makes no sense.
The only thing that I think it's need to be done is to BOLD in the future in this kind of contest/crowdstormings (because this is a very specific one) that
For Half-time awards, you don't need to fulfill all the mandatory facts, just focus on your idea and your concept which only needs to be somehow realistic and feasible, don't overthink. Post more ideas and concepts. Don't focus on templates or overdetailing.
After the Jovoto community will identify the right concepts and ideas, then you can get your good concepts to the next level: exact dimensions, right design and structure, final materials, colours etc.
Because what I think it's most important is that what Jovoto is looking for, are the best ideas not the right winners.
Have a great inspiration and a clear mind! And of course, have fun!
I don't care about halftime awards. What i care about are fair working conditions for everyone here. And if the community would really be able to identify good concepts and great ideas and not just well executed renderings and illustrations i would be very happy.
I hope all winners have created a backrest as the brief says! In other case the brief has no matter! ;)
Giant Congratulations to the half-time winners. Great bold ideas!!! The jury showed that they are looking for something really creative and new. I love this way of designing... first get the brilliant, brave idea and later bring it into life. Great, great and good luck to all !!!
... and going by the book rarely gets you to innovative ends:) !!!
Yes my friend, you' re right. I was thinking about a floating bench on electric magnet. I was silly not submitted it, maybe I've had won the competition. Develop a electromagnetic field is a secondary problem. Ahahah! ;-)
Why not Tommaso, you still have time. All the best!!!
As Tommaso said, it's not so happy to see that mandatory facts didn't matter at this phase. It would be better if it was clear said: focus on the concept and how catchy the bank can be, leave the mandatory template for the 2nd phase. In this case, people could focus on what matters at this time, instead of rushing the concept part of the idea and wasting time with lots and lots of catchy renderings (and there are a lot of ideas which did this)
This being said, lets hope that we'll get some clear facts next time.
All the best!
Happy New 2017 Year!
Cheers my dear friends! :]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
Still 6 hours waiting ;) Happy New year all!
I am new to "JOVOTO" i just joined two weeks now, all this complains am reading is really very discouraging. But i know one thing is very clear, am in this for the fun of it. I have learnt over the years that following the rules never pays that is why as an artist i don't always go by the rules, its just sad because i thought i would be different here.
But it doesn't mean we should give up, its better to try.
All the best
Sometimes is time to give up
Happy New Year All!!
"Your bench must be feasible and reproducible at a reasonable cost – for preferably no more than €1000 per unit"
I think if you want to get prize forget all guidelines ;)
Hello guys! The furniture design is new to me & there are a lot of things to learn from. I not sure about the materials used in many ideas. Can you guys teach me more?
Question 1: What is the meaning of " weather proof " materials anyway?
A material that are Waterproof, Sun UV Proof, Algae/ Fungal Resistant, Termites Treated Material, Corrosion resistance & Low Maintenance? Does laminated wood, plastic & Stainless Steel match the "weather proof"?
Question 2. A lot of idea applied the corporate colors are paint. Very heavy painted or plastic? I not sure because most of it looks like a high gloss paint or car paint. What type of paint are suitable for the bench?
I think you're very right with your questions and answers.
1) We have to assume that the bench will be situated for a longer time outdoors, for example on the side of a soccer field, in a skiing area or on a fair. Therefor "the waterproofer the better" ,)
I think treated wood, various kinds or plastic, stainless steel or powdercoating are a good start. Of course some things can be adjusted but usually it is good to have in mind what you're working with when designing.
2)I know what you mean. Let's say most of them could be made with a metal frame and sheets e.g. aluminium or steel which is powdercoated according to the colour.
Powdercoating you get in glossy or matt. It creates a plastic layer around the object that is coated and is a popular treatment.
Thanks for the answers. It really help me understand better of the material & process.
Most of the ideas doesn't mentioned it in their description, making people guessing a lot.
Is the template mandatory for final submission?
I wouldn’t take the risk of not using the template. By using it you increase your chances (especially when there are a lot of submissions) to be seen and understood and therefore have a better chance for a win.
Guys. I take a look at every ideas and I have a suggestion, if I may. Try not to use "S" or "B" initials if you haven't seen every ideia in the project. Some of them are pretty similar. What's not a good thing, some of them looks like the same bench with different seats and backs. Take a look at every project and tink about something unique, I'm sure you'll get better results for using the initials. Don't be mad about me, I just wanna help. Also there's a lot of great projects, I'm surprised about the plurality and quality of the concepts. You all are doing a great job. Congrats ;)
We are amazed how many ideas (great ideas!!!) you contributed so far. There is a huge variety in approaches and depth in implementation. I am sure the jury will be very pleased, and you should be proud of yourselves. But don't lean back yet!
There is three more days left to upload new concepts. Although it feels like the project just started we are approximating the end of the submission period.
If you have a great idea or need to add something to your existing concept you should do it now. And of course you can always send me a message if there is a question.
I agree, there is so many superb entries!!!
I hope you had a great weekend! There is 5 hours left to upload new ideas or finish your concepts on this crowdstorm.
Have a look at the project kit here
I see that those who put assessment, simply underestimate the assessment, not understanding the essence of the work, you need to reconsider the voting system ... now it's sad
You earned yourself big applause for the impressive number of 319 entries!!!
The submission period just came to an end and another exiting phase is going to begin.
The Rating Only Period…
Whilst the jury will pick their favorite Ideas, you have the chance to rate the submissions and choose your winners.
Please remember to rate fairly and have a look at this:
Thank you guys for your excellent work!
i counted 320
It will be a tough race !!!!!
Too much projects and many very interesting ... good luck to all ;-)
Hi Philipp, I have a question about rating. There are so many entries that completely ignored filling out the description questions, how exactly should we consider that in the rating? I feel that's half the task or more, so 5 stars right off the top, even if it is a top notch design. Is that being unreasonable? Maybe there should've been a category under the stars to rate the completion of the task as stated. You gave plenty of notice, all through the comment period you and the commenters would mention to be sure to fill out the questions, yet a lot were very sparse on details, and as I said some were left blank. This also goes for the request to show the idea in the ad and lobby setting, also an important part of the task,which many ignored. In a real business situation, one would never think of presenting to any client a half finished project, especially if certain deliverables were specifically requested. You wouldn't retain that client for long. How are the judges handling this? Do they have the option of deciding on a winning entry even, without considering if it's a complete entry? That doesn't sound like it would be very fair.
Thanks for your guidance.
I completely agree
I am one of those who left several empty fields on some of the projects ...
The time to complete them there was, yes, maybe ... I personally have presented seven projects and I preferred to focus on the visual until the last second, thinking that a good presentation can already answer many questions.
There is also the problem of translating the answers into English, for those who are non-native speakers ...
There is the problem of giving answers to questions a bit generic, as it could be: "how did you get this idea?"
So I think the problem is, the project it is really understandable?
Or declare clearly, that without complete fields, the projects will be discarded.
The problem of what to evaluate for the allocation of votes is something else ... then everyone is free to give a lower rating because he does not see a complete field (perhaps giving the vote to a least good project because it has all complete fields)
It's the right idea if the pictures really reflected the technical side of the project, many of the no
Hi Mario, I actually thought of you when I was composing my question. Because you have so many GREAT designs and are a real top notch pro, that I get a lot of inspiration from. I was also aware that you didn't complete many of the question fields. I understand you visually explained them with blow-aparts and animation and many images. And I also agree that sometimes the questions seem irrelevant, or redundant. But it is part of the task, and mentioned throughout the comments from the guide. That's why I think there should probably be a specific category rating for that part of the assignment. I ask you, would you ever present to a client (especially a new client) a project without all the deliverables asked for, probably not. Everyone involved would put in all the long hours and weekends to make sure the project is complete for the presentation. That's what pros do in the real working world (especially important for students) Now, I realize this is not the real working world, and people are busy with real jobs and life, so it's looked at as a side hobby if they have the time. But others may take it a little more seriously, and really strive to complete everything that's asked. I often wish I didn't have to fill out all the questions, but I feel I have to, to give myself the best chance to win. I think the Jovoto powers that be really need to figure this out. I would certainly put in my vote for less questions and required templates. I'm interested and looking forward to hear what Philipp has to say regarding this. Have a Good Day!
BTW- Your english skills are great! Although there are some I really struggle with to understand.
Since you have thought of me, I answer for me.
I have not "taken less seriously," this task, but I had to make choices just because I do not live of projects on jovoto (to whom I am grateful for the opportunities)
One of my last render with construction details, that many have omitted, was loaded in the last two seconds of the time available.
Many do not give any construction details of their projects, not criticize them or is it a choice or are not able to develop them.
Now I ask you: you learn more from a project with special design or a series of answers to general questions?
The customer here is looking for a PRODUCT, not just ideas.
How it will assess the possibility of having a product and not just a "nice idea"?
Then again, I do not want to be outside the rules ...
if tomorrow the rule is: no answer = no project, I'll make my choices.
One other thing: there are many good designers here on jovoto, I do not consider myself better than any of them, I just explained my choices ;-)
I understand your concerns regarding the rating and I’ll try to give some answers and it is good, that we’re having this discussion.
First guideline for rating is: "Be sure to read and consider the creative brief"
The questions are there for two reasons:
1) to remind you what to include in your submission. If you answer the questions with your submission (uploads), then that’s great. If you upload your idea but see that those questions are still unanswered, then your idea might need some more thought.
2) To help the client quickly understand your idea. Your answers together with your uploads is what the client gets presented in the end of the project (unless they go though all ideas themselves). If you leave the answers blank, the client have to digg a bit deeper to understand your idea. But if you clearly answer the questions with your submission, maybe it’s clear anyway.
Regarding your rating in regards to having filled out all the questions. If you think the idea is answering the brief completely (even if all questions are not filled out), rate the idea based on that.
Bottom line, answering those questions helps the client, jury, and other creatives to quickly understand the idea and they are there to help the idea owner to know if they have thought about everything. So fill them out if you can. But rate ideas based on how well it answers the brief.
Enjoy the rating period!
Thank you Philipp ;-)
Me too. Plus : Wasn’t the task to create primarily an object or propose a concept for such an object according to the original briefing !
But mainly only product designs of different benches came up. I guess that’s because Jovoto and the creative community is mainly used to handle product design.
Anyway the object aspect defiantly came too short, and I see not many exactly fitting the needs on the level of this really remarkable institution
Sparda Bank is about community, Jovoto is about community. So there should be the option for an additional briefing and continue the process till the non plastic no fake effect clearly “Sparda Bank” is popping up, if required.
For this discussion to make sense we have to figure the categorically differences between working for advertising ( effect/ sketching) or construction and manufacturing. (exact data CAD/CAM) While sketching is very essential in advertising it is considered as waste, when it comes to lean production.
The question is what the client really wants. I guess they are not searching just a nice bench(already designed without any connection to the bank) where they can just add their logo on. If they want just "copycat" product from already invented idea why they do not just use "goole search" themselves.
I think they are searching fresh ideas that would be also easy to product and especially it represents their brand well.
Fresh idea is not synonymous only with things that are made of plastic or fiber materials and looks futuristic ;)
Do not forget the cost ...
The true cost in the use of special materials, so easy to mold to the computer, is not in the single finished piece (even), but in the prototype, in the molds when necessary, in the production equipment.
The problem then becomes the number ... you need 100,000 benches? They will cost. Do you need 100? They will have a completely different cost!
Plasic is not a good choice expecially for outdoors the durability is very limited. See all the stadium seats in areas the sun is more intense, they desolve pretty fast.
first - idea, ....only after - work for engineers :)
It appears that there is a lot of hand wringing regarding the approach of designers to the problem of the bench. It is always hard for clients to know what to expect and sometimes a wild card will outshine those that meet the specifics of a brief. We take considerable time to evaluate a brief and strive to "make design invisible" and to "get out of the way". This approach often makes the work invisible or not so obvious. In this case the desire to have a weather proof, flexible and lightweight bench was augmented by modularity. In addition we added contextuality; to mark the location of each branch. In this final regard we note that we are among few in identifying this important idea. While many of the ideas look terrific everyone (ours included) require refinement and development especially, as mentioned elsewhere, in collaboration with a furniture manufacturer. Ultimately competitions are "unfair", at least to those who do not succeed, because they feel somehow their work was overshadowed by other perhaps more controversial entries. Sometimes competitions do throw up inequalities and sometimes the right result emerges. While it is not a perfect system it is better than none. One hopes that judges always take their responsibility seriously and respectful of the effort many people make. For competitors it is best not to be too disappointed and hope that in time through some luck your day will come when the work is recognized. Some say that a return of 10% on entries is a good result, even for geniuses. The antidote to disappointment is do more work, seek more rejections, fail more often, get better by degrees. Don't give up.....
Yes I agree.
Participate in a contest is always a bit of a gamble, but it is also an opportunity to compare our ideas in front of a brief and different ideas of others ... anyway an opportunity for growth.
I have received almost zero feedback, only low ratings!! And you dare to name this crowd work platform. People just "buy" votes giving their "loves" and you call it professional way to choose winners ;) I could name all community winners without seeing any ot those projects. Great job!
Fisheye, if you let me your first mistake was to communications.
Why combine several projects in a single upload?
How do I vote only what I find most valuable and convincing?
Most of the time the result you get is that you do not vote anything ...
Dear Mario, If you have read my description there you would know which was the bench i want people vote
Excuse I may have not understood ... language problems ;-)
Usually you ask for feedback while you can still update your idea. If you post it in the last minute the feedback is useless. Also uploading all your ideas in one submission is very confusing even if you wrote in the description which one is the main idea.
@Eduard I prefer honest feedback if I get low rate.. If you do not understand something why you do not ask first and vote after you have gotten answers?
But an obligation to be fully understandable it is always right to proponents... I think ;-)
fisheye: There is a distinct possibility that when I give someone a comment on their project that mentions what appear to be shortcomings in terms of compliance with the brief (no back, not strong enough to support two people, etc), there is a high likelihood that someone could give me a low rating in retaliation. I do try to be constructive when I comment, but not all my comments are accepted as constructive and there is a tendency to take the comments personally, even by me.
I've been an architect for 35 years. Often, when someone doesn't know how to offer criticism of a project (either positive or negative), they just say they don't like it. To be able to critique a project is an art (not that I am an expert, by any means). In my view, the critique should address (1) how well the project complies with the brief, (2) how well the project accomplishes what the designer set out to do, and (3) how innovative/creative it appears. This last consideration is quite subjective, and comes into play after the first two considerations are addressed. Some projects do not appeal to my sense of aesthetics but I would still rate them high if they successfully address the first two considerations in creative and innovative ways.
I don't know of a way to solve the voting/rating issue. If comments were anonymous it would help immensely, but people can still message each other and "scratch each other's back". Competitions are inherently flawed, and this platform is no different. I concluded long ago that clients on Jovoto are not always looking for the "best" submission but are instead looking for the most popular solution, which is fine for graphic design projects, not so good for architectural projects that have functional requirements.
Apropos voting. Are their any guidelines ? I have once had advice from a sports committee. According to whish ratings will come out very low indeed. As a newcomer here , i also have this impression as mentioned by fisheye. What is a this " love bla bla", when there are not even dimensions given etc. Only sceptic critics can help to find and improve week points.
Hi, i'm also a rookie and i think that your desing with dimensions (sorry, with enough spelling errors) ist not the point if it's a convincing concept: if the idea and the design is excellent for the Bank and their advertising campaign, the dimension doesn't matter at that time of competition. Sorry to tell you that, ... so next time you try harder :)
I see that your rating is under review and you ask for fair rating. Weird.
@ Manfred . We have at least try to be precise. How can we be sure otherwise we understand each other ? If you like someones work ,why not help him out to complete it! So we can avoid such discussions.
@ Eduard It all depends on the criteria we take as a basis. Even I like some of the work, I have to be rational when I see it will not do for this purpose.
as most Jovoto open projects also this one brings about a lot of discussion on fair rating and going or not going along the brief. I've decided to put down a few words, I hope you will not find them complete rubbish:)
As for voting, it will be fair only if we all vote fair, I know it's truism but it's enough to honestly ask yourself if the work is good or not. No matter if the creatives voted high for you, or if you like them or not. I think you will all agree that deep inside there is always an honest answer and we always have a choice to use it or to follow our disturbing emotions into trying to alter the results by putting others down. I strongly suggest to follow the bright side because then you're no longer in stress. Look at the situation; you made your best with your submissions, you voted fair and now you can relax:) Whatever the results you are mentaly on the save side. The wisdom of the group will do the rest:)
As for sticking to the brief I think this is more individual and it should stay individual. Many great innovations came into being by breaking the guidelines. Many great inventions could only start working due to following some rules all the way. I personally love having as little rules as possible but there are people who feel safer working within very strict brief. And also we can vote accordingly with those tendencies but we should allow freedom for others. To give a small example; If I see a bench that will break when you touch it, not to mention seating on it but it has genius form and colors and with the work of constructors and with the use of modern materials like Grafen it could actually see the daylight; why not I give 10 and it's my right to do so. Others may vote differently and they are also perfectly right to do so because their focus of importance is different.
So; honest voting and freedom:)
What do you think about my senseless bubbling?:)
"Many great innovations came into being by breaking the guidelines. Many great inventions could only start working due to following some rules all the way."
I agree this but most of those innovations here seems to come from Pinterest etc. ;)
I know fisheye, but this is for the Jovoto team to fish them out, I hope:)
If I check top 100 list I would not be so sure about that ;)
szymonwit: You said "To give a small example; If I see a bench that will break when you touch it, not to mention seating on it but it has genius form and colors and with the work of constructors and with the use of modern materials like Grafen it could actually see the daylight; why not I give 10 and it's my right to do so."
I don't understand how you could give it a 10 when it does not fulfill the first requirement of the brief, which is that it is a bench that must support two people. This is not just a graphic design project. This must be functional, safe, weatherproof, etc. It is your right to vote any way you wish, but this is why the community winners often seem arbitrary and subjective, and why those of us who actually try to comply with the brief are discouraged. Perhaps this platform is just not for me.
@ szymonwit May be then the guide lines have been not ok. But usually great innovation come from topping the requirements and searching outside the error area. By the way. Some of this “great innovation” are often shenanigans . Just like this kind of neoliberal thinking is no way to solve a conflict and trying to corrupt the community will come back to you.
I am way too uneducated to follow what you say:) All the best Ulrich
I think simply that the vote of a varied community like that of jovoto, will always be impossible to manage or direct towards those who we believe are the best results.
Jovoto staff can only check that there are no shenanigans
Also on the final choices of the customers it could siscutere much. so also in major international competitions.
So either you're in the game or you do not participate
Hi Mario , Hi curtisart
Yes . That’ s how it is -
I thought for quite some time, that you are some are kind of an emcee of this project.
I guess if there were no comments from curtisart and you the project would have been kind of mute and vapid. You triggered a lot of resonance and contributions .
I think Jovoto ows you both at least an Activity Award and a special thanks for the great verve.
Really?have you already checked their comments to me?(zero) ;)
Good news! Sparda-Bank was so excited about your designs, they want to do a public vote, so everyone can help them make this decision!
They made a shortlist of six designs that we will reveal on monday, when the rating period has closed. We will be in touch with the creatives who's designs are on the shortlist, and inform you as soon as the vote opens on Monday.
Congratulations, great job!
Great news! Good luck to all!
Yes... good news ;-)
I only enter contests that have jury prizes because the community voting so often is arbitrary and subjective. I hope that the jury will base their selection on how well the submissions actually solve the problems presented by the brief. Now you give us news that even the jury prizes will be selected by the community? I do not consider this good news.
The shortlist was made by Sparda-Bank and the jury. We will announce the six designs next week when the vote goes live!
Philipp, when you said "public voting", I thought you meant community voting. I didn't know there was a method for getting the public to vote. Getting the actual public involved seems like a good idea.
oh public voting is great! ;) it worked perfectly in Victorinox contest too! :D
Maybe you should tell about public public voting before the contest begins.. only members that have lot of followers in sm probably would participate!!!
I dont know about that, but the situation and the criteria are very different. indeed. And you are right. it is far from great. It just means , that there arn't The big bringer ,so the management don't know what to pick.Exactly how I suspected, see above.
Public vote will be a new vote of the community? (In theory It would have already voted).
So it may be on facebook? Happy is he who has many friends ... :-D
We have to wait for the shortlist to understand how the jury has the technical capacity to make a personal choice and careful.
Otherwise the public vote unskilled, could make the choice to fall on the most bizarre projects.
Then, good luck :-D
P.S. Another question: would not be right to introduce a cash prize even for those who enter the shortlist?
At beginning of the contest it was not expected, but is usually so ...
I have to correct myself, the award for the shortlist was present, were provided only 2 places (or 2 + 1)
yes, you're right, the public voting is not another rating on Jovoto, but a public-public voting organized by Sparda-Bank to get their customers involved. We will provide the link as soon as it gets started.
The two shortlist awards will go to rank 2 and 3 of the public vote.
Have a great weekend, and enjoy rating!
If you didn't get to do it yet, there's about 3 days left!
but I see an inconsistency in the awarding of the prizes ... let me explain:
One is the vote of the community with the related premiums, OK, but if a project gets into a shortlist of the Client, this project has centered the objective better than others, regardless of the vote of the community who may have many other reasons (also questionable), so if we have a shortlist of 6, as in this case and only two awards + one (the winner), does not seem to give proper value to those who anyway came in a shortlist chosen by the Client.
This opens up a sensitive issue, it must be better rewarded and more, who gets the votes of any community, or who centers the goal, even partial (see shortlist) certified by the choice of the Client?
Hi Mario, I can understand your concern, but you can also see it as the winner and two runner ups which will also be rewarded. Next time though, we will try to structure the prizes in a way that all people on the shortlist receive an award, or it's clear from the beginning how it will be broken up.
All the best, Jess
I'm sorry but the answer does not solve.
There is a shortlist of six candidates to victory. The customer has decided that it will be a public vote will decide the winner, then any of the six projects is for the Client an absolutely successful project.
The goal reached is therefore higher than that of any placement of projects voted by the community.
It seems to me perfectly logical ...
It does not seem logical that a tenth of the community, for example, receives a higher premium of those who centered a more important objective, which in fact does not receive anything (three out of six).
Since the prize money I think is totally allocated by the Customer. The customer has found fully valid six projects and decided to widen the shortlist, the client should correctly ensure that the projects added shortlist have the right recognition.
I support this whit respect of labor and projects to anyone.
It's really two separate contests: The community vote is a popularity contest and the jury vote is for what best meets the criteria of the client. At least, that's how I reconcile it in my mind.
Certainly eventually they become two distinct competitions, but then what is the logic of a brief?
Exit the brief and try to carry out a project to impress the community or look for a project that will become the product and that justifies the work of the designer and the customer expectations?
The competition here is not presented as a separate race and it is useless to hide the fact that the prize money of the community also serve to attract more designers and therefore more customers are turning to Jovoto for research.
You need the right balance.
For example I would be in favor (and to launch an idea of jovoto team) at slightly lower premiums for the vote of the community but doubled where the vote of the community coincides with the shortlist of the customer or in any case other mechanisms more rewarding than you think is the main value of a project: to become product.
In the case of this project (SPrada-Bench) the shortlist of the customer will tell us if they have been awarded projects that are at the limit of the brief, very imaginative, impact but perhaps more difficult to realize, or choices that have taken into account costs, production, portability, ergonomics, etc., which remain low in the vote of the community because they have no WOW effect.
If the choice of the customer deviate much from the choice of the community, which should logically be the choice as to reward the most?
As you can see are all questions that I do not do to defend my work or that of others (I have several projects, with some I could point to one community vote, with other Client target), but only to stimulate growth in the objectives and research in the quality of work (and their respective fair awards).
There was no logic in the briefing in the first place.
It is just a description of what there are looking for,
without any plan how to manage it.
An experienced professional would have noticed at once that this requires a two step procedure to accomplish that efficiently..
First to create an object, and see afterwards how to manage replicas ,copies, production etc. in a second step.
Hey Mario, As I said above, in this case being on the shortlist means eligible to win the other prizes. Next time we will consider all shortlist winners getting a reward for making it onto the shortlist.
In your last comment, I want to make sure I understand what you mean, you would like that there is less Community Prize money, and more Client's Choice prizes?
The rating period has just closed, thank you for your many, many votes and great work. I congratulate you for completing this exiting project.
Now we are waiting to hear from the client about the public vote - but I will proceed with rating monitoring and close the project soon.
I'll let you know about the vote as soon as we have word from Sparda-Bank, that it's up.
I'm confused a bit... :)
The Sparda-Bank has chosen 6 projects to be on the shortlist presented in the public voting, open until February 12. These creatives have the chance to win the first, second and third prize in the "Mark the Bench" public vote.
Fly - by Mario BarbieriVibe - by UnlimeSpikedup! - by Adrian IgnatSpardabench - by sharkydrummerEin starker Partner im Rücken - by 7tyfourSmalland - by sharkydrummer
Everyone can vote in the public voting. The link ishere
It's pretty self explained but here's an english explanation of the steps you need to take:
> Go to link
> underneath each project is a orange button "Abstimmen für XY", click the one you like the most. You have only one vote.
> On the top of the page appears a table which you have to fill out, to make the vote count:
-check "Herr" (male) or "Frau" (female)
-Date of birth
-check "ja, ich habe mich für eine Sparda-Bank entschieden"
-check "spardawelt Kundenmagazin abonnieren" (if you want to get the newsletter ; )
-check "ja" or "nein" (if you're a customer already)
>type in the code
>hit the orange button "Abschicken"
Now your vote will be counted...
Happy voting everyone.
All the best, Philipp
Philipp, why the public votes on sparda site are still open?
How does this unusual competition, which seems to be a continuous work in progress?
Big congratulations to the winners and good luck in the further voting!!!
Congrats to all and good luck!
Congratulations to the chosen six and good luck in the next stage!
Congratulations guys! Well done and good luck in the voting!
congratulation to everyone, no one is loser, everyone are awesome designers. so, all the best for your future works and dreams.
Big congratulations to the winners !!!!!!!!!!!
I’m happy to officially close the project and announce the winners today, but I’d also like to say thank you to all of you who participated. You did a great job with a challenging task. We are all waiting for the Sparta-Bank voting to finish and how this will turn out, so for the time being let’s announce the community prize winners!
Round of applause to the 15 Community Winners. Have a look at all the winning community ranks here.
Next are all the community engagement prize winners. A big thanks to you, for making jovoto a fresh, collaborative and constructive place to work.
The Collaboration Award goes to sucran and robi.
We would like to present the Newcomer Award to elodiedelassus. Welcome to jovoto :)
The Fairest Rater Award goes to szymonwit.
The Best Feedback Award goes to tcurtisart. Thanks tcurtisart for your helpful and constructive comments.
Congrats to all, I enjoyed working on my first crowdstorm with you and I wish you good luck in further challenges!
I liked it! My choice has coincided with the choice of jury!!! Bravo!
I'm curious how was the best new commer elected?
there is an entry in the FAQs about this. You can read about it here.
Hope that answers your question?
The public vote chose:
Why not give the news?
It would have been interesting to have also the ranking of the votes on the 6 projects ...
Wow, Mario, you were quick...!
I did not steal the official announcement, only it seemed weird not you had agreed simultaneously... ;-)
Sparda-Bank customers and employees were able to choose one out of six finalists in a public vote. We are currently waiting for the final data and clearance of the jury to be able to announce all the winners.
Thanks for your patience!
But for now, Congratulations Unlime for winning the public Sparda-Bench vote
Best, Philipp and the jovoto Team
We now can announce the winners of the Mark The Bench challenge. Congratulations to the winners:
3rd of the shortlist is Sparda-Bench by sharkydrummer
2nd of the shortlist is spikedup! by Adrian Ignat
And the Jury Award goes to Unlime and his idea Vibe
Congratulations to the winners
and all of you made this project interesting, exciting and successful.
it is really a great news, thanks! of course also big congrats to all the winners and thanks a lot to philipp for your guidance! :)
Congrats to all!!
we are happy to share some progress with you. The winning design of Unlime has been manufactured and is at the photoshoot already.
You can see the prototype here.
The parts are cut from orange mdf that was laminated with a blue layer.
WOOOOOO! is so super to see ideas become reality!!!!!!!! hands up for Unlime!
Wooow!!! Exciting! It really looks amazing, well done to all involved parties, well done!!!! :)
Really nice work...
It is always a great satisfaction to see their project become reality
Sinned orange isn't a little more vivid ...
Awesome work! :]]]
wow, it looks really great. well done! thank you for sharing of the photo! :)
It isn't finished jet , right ?
Another big congratulations to unlime! Now that Sparda-Bank has made the first prototype of his bench, they've also kicked off the Sparda-BANK campaign!
Watch this video to see unlime's design VIBE in action and representing Sparda-Bank in all different places :)
We love to see this type of hype for jovoto designs!
WOW! Congrats to unlime ;-)
So far so good. But know it's time for constructive critisism and thinking of innovation . Is this bench a fitting _Markenidentifikationszeichen" It is a nice design though, with no relation of any kind to the Institution. Inconclusiveness instead of relevant significance . I wonder how it happened? Does the glossy effects overpowered the substance. I think there were some far more original Ideas. They just were not worked out so good. Nobody ever cared. This was my first project . I mostly learned, that the methode somehow not worked out.
My idea ; all this rating at that stage was for what, There was still plenty of time and work to do, to optimize the material in teamwork. Therefore there should be a coworking only phase under cooperative rules before the rating. I am missing the "Come on Novotians , We can do better. "as a work team featuring spirit.?
The time for ”constructive critisism” has passed. Let`s enjoy the final product and be glad for Unlime!
The result looks great. Fresh, cozy and eye-catching. Congrats to Unlime
thanks, stephan & eduard!! :)
This critic meant to adress some methodic aspects . If you not aware of the history and concept of the Institution Sparda Bank, it may be make little sense. Why here everybody take everything so personal anyway ?.
By the way , when the time for constructive critism has passed, there will be even more ignorance .