I am so happy to be your creative guide for this year's Classic Limited Edition of Victorinox Swiss Army Knife 2017 :)
Looking forward to seeing some eye-catching designs with your personal animal of the world.
If you want to see more about me and my work you can read more here.
Hi Ingo.
Is it REALLY necessary that the animal represents the country we live in? I know that's on the briefing, but I also see that people choose animals they love. Which I agree :)
So, can we choose the animal, even if we don't have it?
I also wanted to make sure whether it's compulsory that we stick to animals that are representative for the country we live in. (Although actually I don't mind much, because there are a lot of interesting and beautiful animals living here.)
Hi Sabine, just let it out what you got in mind or in your heart. If there is an animal which got a relation to you it would be better than an animal from your country.
Hi Ingo! my question is whether one designer can have more ideas with same animals but designed differently - for instance fox and rooster designed differently, different styles(fox and rooster appearing in 3 completely different designs). Is that acceptable?
Oh cool! Animals are great :) Is it ok, if an animal is submitted double? For example: One creative submit a rooster and another creative also submit a rooster, but created in another design style? Or should be every sort of animal only submitted once?
I doubt you can limit the use of animals. :) How many entries did we have before, around 1000? That would be a LOT of animals.... I am hoping that people are fair enough to not steal concepts - either technique + animal or unique implementation of an animal. Hope springs eternal...?
If you ask Google ;)
"National Geographic lists "bugs" as one of its categories under "Animals." According to Wikipedia, insects belong to "the most diverse groups of animals on the planet, including more than a million described species." Most of these species are insects. Other species of the Arthropoda phylum include crabs and lobsters."
Would it make sense to just remove the entries using stolen work/ clipart/ stock? There will be such a huge number of entries, it would be nice if the screen was not taken up with clipart.
Well, that might make voting a lot easier .-). And fairer, too.
But there will be some entries that just ended up looking "stock-ish" although there is no stock material used. How can clip art e.g. definitely be spotted?
And do you think that eligibility (for the client) would also mean that only entries that can be produced/do regard the print specs should stay on screen?
I was only referring to the numerous entries where the clipart link was already provided - and they are allllll there. Honestly, you might as well exclude these people altogether... They just enter more clipart.
makes one wonder why anybody uses stock material although the question if one uses that and the warning that it's NOT to be accepted are nor to miss in the questionaire .-)
no idea, actually i'd be too lazy to make the effort to search for stock material for a project where a design made with this material won't be accepted .-)
Thank you for asking us this one: Victorinox wants your own ideas and no clipart from stock markets. The chance to win is so much higher if it is your own idea. We will consider all copyright problems in the final week of the award.
@ Pinstripe: This award goes to the community member that creates the biggest social impact by sharing their unique ideas on social media and gain the most shares, retweets, likes and comments.
I really like that we can give tips and tricks to each other and that we have a guide who gives us a feedback! Can't wait to have my computer again! I'm lucky to know this website!
You can delete slides from a proposal just in the first 24 hours after submission. But you don't need to delete them anyway :) having all your previous versions of a proposal, shows better how your design evolved
Hi Walter, that's correct. But if the picture you want to remove is the cover image, it can't be deleted as long as it's the first picture in the row. Also within the first 25 hours. You can delete a cover image only after you did shift it and did put another picture at it's place.
I'm really thrilled to see client choosing the ones to be produced! There's not even the half way of the project and Victorinox already have like a entire design library to choose from for the next 10 years!
I'm totally impressed & blown away of all designs submitted so far! You really rock jovotans! The best of luck to everyone! It's gonna be the all-time toughest clients selection! They have so many many awesome designs to choose! Wow! This is Crazy!
:)
I am glad to see, how the project develops. Thank you for all your great ideas so far!
We got an exciting happening this week! On Wednesday the 7th September at 3pm I will be live on Facebook to give you feedback on your designs!
You will be able to share your designs with me and I will give you hints on how to hit the nail on the head and develop your designs further! And if you have questions about your designs, I will do my best to answer them. I look forward to meeting you then! You find the jovoto Facebook page where it all will happen here.
Hi guys! This is my first work on Jovoto and I read that is not possible to delete the old work. How do designers communicate that they changed something? Is there a way or not? Thank you.
Thank you for asking us this. For the client, it is interesting to see how you develop your idea. It shows better how your design evolved. The new remixes are always on the top. If you want to delete the whole slide, you can only do it within 24 hours or ask me. I hope I could answer your question.
At 3PM today I will be live on the jovoto Facebook page to meet some of you, answer any questions you might have about design & creativity and give you LIVE feedback on your ideas. You will have the possibility to post your submissions in the LIVE chat and get direct feedback from me to help you develop it further.
You can get to know me and some of my previous work on the OLD YELLOW website.
Yes! I watch it! It is really great!
Although I wish my idea being discussed there & getting some advices, may be next time... because there are too many ideas to talked about. With the halftime feedback, I hope I will improve & further develop my idea.
Thanks for the great video Jovoto! :) Just one tip for the next time. Maybe you could pick few projects you like there from out of top 100 list. There is a lot of great designs that deserve it also IMO ;)
no problem .. I think everyone can learn a lot about public feedback.. I am glad you organized something like this there! I am also glad this fact that there is a guide that check all proposals even there are so many ;)
Hey OldYellow, I have a question concerning the logo. I've created some designs where the art shows through in the negative areas of the logo- would this application be allowed. Or would it be better to enclose the logo in white or another color that would fit the design?
Thanks
Hi OldYellow, at the moment I've got a question concerning the production/print of the knifes. The brief states that "It must be technically possible to produce your design suggestions. An expert team from Victorinox will test the feasibility of your designs." I think that means that ideas that can't be printed can't be a Client's Choice.
These knifes are really small,so actually it's a bit hard to guess/figure out, what can/could be printed, technically speaking. Are there any specs or rules of thumb how "big" a detail should be or how thin a line can be?
Dear OLDYELLOW, I have the same concern, as my design is based on original watercolor painting and has some small details. How can I make sure, that the design is within the rules? Thank you!
you can find the halftime feedback above in the brief, now.
Please have a look at it and keep it in mind to develop your design in the right direction.
We have received positive feedback on many ideas and the client is very happy with the variety and quality of your submissions.
So please keep up the good work! We are all very excited to see what you come up with in the next weeks!
Does the design have to be about an animal in the designer's origin country? Seems like that's one of the requirements when I was reading the brief, but I've seen some artworks don't follow that instruction. I wonder are we free to create any animals around the world and in any combinations. Thanks!
The task is: Choose an animal you love and that is typical of your country, your region or your culture.
So you can be born in Switzerland, living in the USA but with parents from India. So if you have a connection to a culture just choose it, no matter where you come from. Just choose an animal and a story behind, what motivates you to create an artwork.
I have a question regarding my design "Matterhorn Marmots". In there I am using the "color sliding technique" (sorry, don´t know the English word, it´s "Verlauf" in German), which means f.ex. a dark green fades over into a light green.
Would that be something that is technically not possible for the client to print? Do I have to change the coloring?
Don't worry, it's only the same theme, but in my view you both used different ways of execution! That's because our brains pattern about a lady bug in combination with the knife tools are very similar :) Good luck you both!
Thank you! And you're right! :) The styles are different. New one is more realistic while mine is very simplified. What bothered me more was the very similar description which I guess could be a coincidence :)
There are only 6 days left until the end of the submission period. That means it's the last chance for you to invest your creativity and visualize all the great ideas you've got in your pocket!
We're very happy to have so many awesome and diverse artworks. Perhaps while you're looking at the current ideas you see there is an animal that's missing or a technique you think should definitely be there! You can take inspiration from our Pinterest board:
Hello, I wonder if I can use some downloadable resources only in terms of adornment and aesthetics for the presentation? the design of the knife is completely own and doesn't have any resource at all.
this year is the VICTORINOX year!...they are going to need a lot of time to decide which of them to choose and like most! :DDD congrats to designers with such ideas, skills and presentation! wish you luck!
Thank you to Jovoto , made possible to share an idea and find friends to share ideas. Thank also to Victorinox to use a new technology for a traditional tool to find a new design. I enjoy very much the community of the page and wish everybody for now good luck and also for the future good luck. I am looking forward for the next contests.
Excuse me, do you have an extension deadline to submit the work?
I'm very interested to participate it but receive just today the invitation.
Best regards!
Hello!, is my first time in Jovoto. I have a question up just a proposal ... but with 4 variants. Are basically 2 drawings that change size and / or position is correct upload it? Thank you.Or should I climb 4 proposals separately?Link: https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox2017/ideas/55816
YESSSSSSSSSS! this is the end! a lot of suuuuper works here! Jovoto community put in this project a lot of energy and good vibes! good luck dear friends!
I'm sorry -unfortunately you missed the date for the upload. the competition is now closed for new designs but you can still be a part and vote for your favorites, happy to have you on board!
Big thanks to all of you. I'm impressed by the great designs submitted around the topic of Animals of the World!
Now the ratings only period begins. Please take a look at all of the ideas and give your rating. You can vote for as many ideas as possible, but please – don't forget to keep the brief in mind and reflect that in your ratings. As always, be generous and fair.
If you have any questions feel free to reach out via PM or ask here under the brief.
Thank you very much. It was a big pleasure to guide you all. I feel very inspired and had much fun.
Dear Ingo, also thank you very much for being our guide! It was really a great pleasure designing for this year's competition and we had many things to learn! All the best!
Beautiful contest and awesome designs. I want to congratulate all of the participants because all of them had great ideas! Good Luck Everyone!!!!
Also big thanks to Old Yellow for being our guide ! :)
Thank Jovoto, Victorinox, Ingo and all designers participate in this project. This is my first time joining Victorinox project and I'm so excited. I take a look at all the designs and I fell like having a great world art tour. I can feel your cultural background on your works. Thank and good luck to all of you my friends :)
Hi tcurtisart. The badges are given by us, simply by noticing your work on the platform. However, when you apply to become a jovoto Pro, if your application is confirmed, you will receive at least one outstanding skill badge.
https://www.jovoto.com/blog/creatives/jovoto-pro/
It's my first time in this project and I feel without any chance with so many experienced designers but I am glad I am part of it! Good luck everyone !
It is the first time I have participated in this project and indeed, when I saw the large number of concepts illustrated for the topic Animals of the World I was overwhelmed at the same time excited by the variety of styles and animals, as well as inspiration to everyone sample and, in my case, made me make marks around animals that exist in Mexico. You see I can honestly say that perhaps not among among the best despite having experience in the field of design and illustration, and still have the satisfaction of participating in a most extraordinary and varied project, the perspectives of others good designers and show great interest in professional and personal development that makes us get them as good colleagues. Thank you very much to Jovoto and Victorinox to present a major project that unleashes and motivation to every designer from anywhere in the world. Congratulations and I am proud and happy to belong to this community. Congratulations!
¡Suerte a todos los participantes!
Curious about the result, many amazing entries!!! Was great to be part for the first time and share a bit from my country! Thank you for the feedback Oldyellow and guys who commented and rated! ;)
help me,
Hi good afternoon, I write because I have the following doubt in that area of the web page Jovoto I can upload my projects to participate in the contest Swist army?
Hey everyone!!! Only 4 days left for voting, please try to rate every single idea so the rating stays fair!!! And please stay FAIR when rating each design !!! Good luck everyone :)
You know what is the best part of this project? That so many people and professionals can see your work. Exciting, especially if you are only an amateur :)
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm still speechless. Your works don't cease to amaze and inspire me (a lot). So many wonderful techniques and concepts! Keep it up :D
Yes, there are so many great and beautiful designs - I have no idea how Victorinox wants to take a decision of selecting only 40 ideas for the final vote... They will have a tough time... ;D
I for one, would appreciate if those 1-star ratings i keep receiving from time to time would also have a comment attached to them, so i know where / what i did wrong.
when your overall rating score drops hard, you know someone gave you a very bad rating. My overall rating score dropped by 0.4-0.7 four times since i have entered top 100!
Yes that's the fun part of being in the top 100 !!! Don't worry too much, the monitoring at the end of the project will cancel most of the votes from "Bad" raters !!!
Wow! there are so many surprises if you take the time to go patiently through the 42 pages! Amazing works that get overlooked between the big amount of ideas! good luck everyone ..!!
This is my 1st project on jovoto, and this community rating system is leaving a bitter taste... i dont know the criterias on which people rate the work other designers do, but I would love if I could just find out.
This is my 1st participation on Jovoto, and I hope don't to spam you... but if you could check out my ideas, I'LL BE SO GRATEFUL WITH ALL OF YOU.
Thanks for all OldYellow, for guide us and support us. And for everybody that commented my projects.
THANKS.
Just amazing to be part of this and to see all the beautiful artwork submitted. It's really great that every entry has so much character and uniqueness in their designs. It's gonna be a tough choice but I am happy to be able to share with so many great artists! Good luck to everyone!! ❤️
To be honest I do not think a lot about this rating mechanism on our part.
I believe that voting and criticisms must be given by the staff of Victorinox ... there is internal marketing purpose.
Otherwise, if we vote among us I might say ... could ... be a vote or judgments distorted ... but without malice ....
It 'a thought of course not a criticism!
:)
Ad Maiora
Adriano
Last 26 hours everyone!!!! Please try to take the time to rate every idea in a FAIR way!!! Everyone works so hard for their design, we deserve to be rated consequently!!! Best of luck to all designers ❤️
The voting quote for my designs are round about 40 votes (for the "best") and 20 (for the "worst") from more then 1200 entries and round about 200 -300 designer who designed all this ideas. That are only 16,7% (for the "best"). So the main problem is, if someone has more then e.g. 40 votes for his/her idea he/she has automatically a better rate. I always vote all entries....every time a lot work. Many of the new designer doesn't know how to vote. Some of the other - or maybe the most of the other- have no lust or just no time, or it's equal for them. Sometimes this could be a good strategy to let the crowd push the own designs.
I never thought about this fact. It brings me to an conclusion for the next time. Maybe I'm wrong, but in my little brain it cries so loud sorry...and I know that last but not least the client has the decision which design he will take for the final crowd voting.
The last days i was in Switzerland & Austria and saw some of the Limited Edition Designs 2016 in a shop - it is such a great feeling & a pleasure to see here the Designs for 2017!!
Good luck to all of you & please vote fair in the last hours :)
Hello dear all! I am amazed by so many wonderful designs that I voted so far, good luck to all of us! I am not sure about this task definition in briefieng: "Choose an animal you love and that is typical of your country, your region or your culture", because I saw so many designs that the animal are not from the designer's country of origin...I just realized it yesterday, because I intensified my votes, and when I vote I usually read all the history behind. When I first read the briefing, I researched a lot about typical Brazilian animals that I could draw, because Brazil is my country of origin. Anyway, it was so pleased to see so many beautiful animal designs, they are lovely anywhere in the world.
Traian that's cos of other factors. While you see top ratings you don't see lower ones. But you can see the overall number of ratings in the very top with other stats. Also as other designs go up or down it effects the overall stats for everyone else. For eg. 8.53 was enough for being 9th but now lets say you have 8.70 and you're 13th. It's all stats sistem Btw-I hate stats! Lol wishing you all the best!
Hahah ahhh! The same case with me! Shortly after I get positive feedback and high rating, total score starts falling. It seems that some people are very active here :) bah! It also happened to me that I got the e mail 'jovotan give you high score rating' two messages but when I look to jovoto newsfeed shows only one 'jovotan give you high score rating' ..and number of ratings still same :> Does that mean that someone is giving a high rating and then come back and change that rating in low?
Anyway, I enjoyed this project very much! I enjoyed in all gorgeous designs, I was maximally fair, and I wish you all good luck guys :))) <3 <3 <3
The rollercoaster is always running in these big public project: up & down & up & down...same by me. Thats really crazy to watch..
I think if someone gives a high rating & change it later in a lower rating Jovoto will see/correct it in the monotoring phase. I hope so :)
Good luck to you all!
You'll need a complete moth for monitoring dear Dora! hehehe... AWESOME PROJECT!!! IS IT THE RECORD OF SUBMISSIONS EVER?!!!! WHAT A LEVEL!!! IMPRESSIVE!!! I really don't know how the client will select just a few with SO MANY OUTSTANDING DESIGNS!!! Victorinox should have to make their biggest knife collection ever, even producing 100 will be taught to select winners!!! hahaha... Jovotans Rocks!!! Love ya!!! Good Luck dear Dora & all participants!!!
:)
Hey Xavier! :)
You have asked for numbers: this is the 3rd in the row of "most submissions ever". Two years ago we had 1352 and three years ago 1318 submitted ideas in the Victorinox projects. This year is also amazing with 1252 great designs! Outstanding indeed :)
Hey just wanted to say that this was a really nice first-time Jovoto experience for me! Thank you all for taking part of it, Thank you OldYellow for the feedback.
What a GREAT project!! I'm so impressed with the high quality of all designs that were submitted this year, just Wooow! Thanks a lot Ingo from OLDYELLOW for taking us in the right direction throughout this beautiful journey, Thanks Jovoto for giving us this space to design and of course Thanks a lot to Victorinox for making us unleash our creativity with such exciting theme, At least 100 designs deserve to be in the Limited Edition 2017, Good luck to everyone :))
Good luck to everyone! such a beautiful challenge got the best out of many designers - so many beautiful and outstanding designs here, tough choice for Victorinox!
Thanks for the opportunity!
Best of luck and success to every artist and designer involved in this project.
Awesome material and ideas I got to see all around!
Hi there :)
The usual rule of thumb for a project is:
The ratings have to be checked, only then can the community winners be final and announced. This takes about more or less a week "normally", depending on the size of the project - but still it's quite hard to say.
This one was the 3rd biggest project EVER on jovoto and there are 75.571 votes, so as said before, thanks for your patience in advance ;)
We're on it to make this happen as fast as possible.
For the Client's Choice: the clients have 6 months after end of submission period to decide which ideas they would like to go for. So within that period you will always know. Victorinox will be faster than that though, but there is no set date yet. The Brief also explains how it will go further from here:
"A Victorinox jury will then pick a shortlist of ideas that will go into a global voting which will be announced on the Victorinox webpage, their social media channels as well as on jovoto. You and all other Victorinox fans will get the chance to decide which 10 designs will be produced in 2017 and available to purchase around the globe."
As soon as we have any news, we will keep you informed!
I am very excited to share the news with you that we have the community winners for the 2017 Victorinox project!
You guys have voted and chosen your favorite designs - and the first 22 are now awarded with the Community Award! Give it up to all of them, especially Swiss Knife Queen DIZAINI and Mochamad "mochawalk" Arief for the second place!
The results are absolutely stunning and we would like to thank everyone who participated and also remind you that it's not over yet!
Just as you guys, we are also really looking forward to see what Victorinox thinks and which designs they are taking into the voting to determine the new Limited Edition.
I would like to repeat this step from the Brief again:
"A Victorinox jury will then pick a shortlist of ideas that will go into a global voting which will be announced on the Victorinox webpage, their social media channels as well as on jovoto. You and all other Victorinox fans will get the chance to decide which 10 designs will be produced in 2017 and available to purchase around the globe."
Until then, we have even more winners:
- the Special Prize for Best Collaboration is awarded to Tiny Tim :) by Corina and LauriS Great team work!
- the Best Feedback award goes to AndraG for her constructive comments! Thank you!
Our Special "Social Award" is coming up for the next phase of the project, so there's still a lot to look forward too - we will keep you updated about everything you need to know, so watch this space for further announcements :)
HUGE congrats to all participants and also congrats to the community winners, such a great contest full of outstanding works, good luck Jovotans, God bless you all :))
BIG CONGRATULATIONS to all community winners and participants and fingers crossed for the client's choice! It's been a great and highly competitive contest!!:)
Hi Jovoto!
I feel i can't really enjoy my prize there this moment :(
argument:
My other project "Arctic 2100"
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox2017/ideas/55981
was much more popular compared to my winner work if i count all "top votes" nonetheless it is much lower in final ranking. It makes me feel your monitoring has some huge problems.
I think your way to show comments publicly is one of the biggest problem there.
In my case i wonder 185 ratings to my Arctic project??
Anyway I wish best luck to all designers for the CC!!
Hey J P, maybe more people gave you something around 8 points for Arctic 2100 in ratio to the top votes? So if you have like 50 top votes (just a guess) and many 8 point votes, it ends up around this result...
Hi JP, How do you see your "top votes" and that it is more popular? Isn't it a system mixed with total high and low ratings, so it's an average of those?
I dont think the rating system is the best, and the people voting... i dont think all of them understand what they should vote based on project desc. and other factors.
For ex: my design got to top100, in 2days after upload with an avg. of 9.2 (something), after that it went into a loop. 2-3days in top100, spent 1day there, rating get big hit, losing like 0.5-0.7 rating, out of top, 2-3days again in top100, after 1 day and again a big drop in rating, out of top and so on for about 3weeks.
And i think it's the "people factor"... to be honest, a few of the "top designs" shouldn't even be in the contest.... they look interesting, but not on a 14mm width!!!!! where was this factor taking into consideration at voting?!?!
hi maxim,
you did mention the actual width of the knife, only 14, mm and you do wonder about designs that might not work in this tiny size.
well, the brief states that only designs that work in the actual size of the knife will be eligible to win a client's choice. the client will check that when chosing the shortlist for the final voting.
but nonetheless ideas that won't work on the knife or can't be produced can be voted for by the community and win a community prize. we should take the brief and specs e.g. into consideration while designing or voting, the guides often remind all of us to do so ...
actually i tried, but since there were no printing specs attached to the brief it's really hard to figure out if a design really can be produced in the end. no easy task. and i also had the feeling that there are a lot of ideas that use small details or fine structures that might be un-printable.
but it's up to each jovotian if he takes all that into consideration while voting or not. if he or her reads the brief first or not .-)
at the end of the day it's the crowd's decision to chose what they like best ...
Congrats to the winners, well deserved! Awesome uploads, so many great illustrations. Looking forward to see what the client will choose :). Good luck to everyone!
well, if I got it right the final ranks are not only based on the average of all votes given to an idea, but there is a "smart algorithm" involved, that also takes into account when the idea was posted and how many votes it got in total. And the average of the ratings given to all the other ideas, e.g. At least that was the explanation given to me by a guide when I myself asked some questions because I wanted to understand how rating (and monitoring) works.
I suppose Dora (or OldYellow) will help and provide further explanation if I'm mistaken or if the procedure was changed.
All the math and monitoring involved is supposed to help to make the voting fair(er). For example to avoid bashing e.g. Or because an idea that is submitted early has got several weeks to collect votes whereas an idea that is posted later might have only got about a week left.
But actually, at least for me, all the math and problems involved into the voting makes it sometimes a bit difficult to understand why ideas got the ranks they have.
And I personally would feel more comfortable with a voting system that's simpler and easier to understand.
It's really great to see all your congratulations for the winners! Well done and very well deserved! :) Thanks jovoto community - you guys are the best!
Since the project is not over yet and my comment about the next steps in this process is not so visible anymore, I would like to repeat it here once again:
We are all very excited to hear from the Victorinox jury, who will soon pick a shortlist of ideas that will go into a global voting. You and all other Victorinox fans will get the chance to decide which 10 designs will be produced in 2017 and available to purchase around the globe.
Keep your eyes open and watch this space for any further information :)
As soon as we have more info about the next steps we will let you know!
Can't wait to see which designs will make it to the shortlist and the new LIMITED EDITION ! ! !
Yours,
Dora
ps. If you have any questions, feel free to comment or contact me via private message. Thank you!
Congrats to winners and to us all. It was my first participation and it was great experience. Thank you for supportive, constructive comments and friendly atmosphere and for sharing your very special ideas and wonderful design.
Hi Dora, I don't have much jovoto experience and this was my first time in this project (wich I enjoyed very much). I had a question. Am I wrong, or the Clients Choice happens to be another public voting just with a shorter list of ideas?
Thanks again for this great platform and congratulations to all winners!
Ho there Andrea!
First of all a warm welcome to jovoto :)
You are right. Victorinox is in the process of making a shortlist of ideas they like the most (must be so hard!). Based on the last years if I remember right, there were about 30 ideas in the shortlist.
Those ideas will go into a public voting, happening not here on the jovoto platform, but on their own channel.
So let's wait and see - as I mentioned before: as soon as we have any news, we will let you know!
Yeah, but to be fair: Dora from Jovoto said last week that public voting will start beginning of next week. That's why I checked it out today... ;p
I'm sure the notification is in preparazion and will follow soon.
actually i didn't critizise dora (actually i do not know when/if victorinox did inform her in advance.
but i don't think that i'm unfair when i'm of the opinion hat it would have been polite (and fair) to inform crowd (and the finalists) in advance by telling them an exact date.
for me that would be a sign of respect for all those creatives who did invest a lot of work in this contest.
Hi Massiel,
thank you for keeping your eyes open. It is crucial for the community that many pay attention. Its often not easy to judge whether you would call it inspiration or copy. Copies are 1:1 or very close replicates.
The idea to take the shape of an owl und present sth within the shape is probably older than jovoto. This one is a tough case to judge. The idea carries several other, own aspects. The owl as well as the object within the change aren't identical.
Please be careful to judge, its maybe a fairer way to speak of "hey someone clearly got inspired". And also even better to reach out to the creative directly before you post publicly.
We have been in contact with Victorinox and Norman Duenas, and the design has been removed from the Victorinox vote and will be removed from jovoto. We are in contact with all parties.
We are taking this as a learning, and we will be discussing the topic at length and sharing the thoughts with you for future reference on the platform.
Thanks for your statement! Do you think, Victorinox will give another creative submission the chance to take part of the voting??? Because the voting process is on the beginning and its much time to vote... ? :D One design removed and one place is free for a new one... :)
cough Since this is not the only entry against Jovoto rules as well as international copyright laws, who knows.
I am curious to see the forum discussion on this topic - because Jovoto surely cannot claim it did not know. I have reported many of these entries weeks ago (including both owls), some only after the voting became public, and they are all happy and healthy in the voting.
ok... Thats really not good... but this is a public project... I think the clients which are willing to start an open project have also to know, that this could happen. If a client want to be sure to only get selfmade designs, maybe he has to make private projects or better give the designers an official order with a fair and fixed payment. ;)
Oh, Jovoto already knows. Just like the dragon fly is stock, and the tiger is traced from a photo, and the other owl is vintage stock. Did I forget something else? I reported all of them, just like I reported the Owl that started this discussion.
They only started to care when I contacted the copyright holder, who then got involved.
I only want to say, that sometimes it is hard to do something completely new - for example the zebra - because a ZEBRA will look like a ZEBRA. Black and white lines. If it will not look so, it is not a Zebra. Understand? ;)
WOW, CrossTheLime would you please give a link and show me how is the Dragonfly a stock?? I did created the pattern myself by choosing every single color and spot in it! I do have the Psd file that has every elemen in it so it won't be hard to prove you wrong...
well DENKdiffrent. actuall i do understand what you mean. and i don't quite agree. the brief asked us to do as follows:
"Be inspired by the visual culture of your origin and by international design trends to create your unique, unseen and exciting design style". the halftime brief did demand " a personal touch"
is a zebra design that looks like a design done several times before an unseen design with a "personal touch"
PS: And the brief said: "Choose an animal you love and that is typical of your country, your region or your culture". Did anybody care about that one?? Only few entrants did.
Yes I care about that! I choosed pigs :) I like pigs - and I like the pink color. And pigs are living in my country. ;) AND they look different and have a personal touch. AND they are no stock images. So I think I fullfilled the brief. At least it is a question of taste... I mean the design, of course ;)
Zebra - there is a difference between changing only small details on a stock image and actually drawing this from scratch - hundreds of artists have been able to, people are just taking shortcuts.
Again derivative/ painted over, because believe it or not, not every wing has the exact same pattern. Is it hard to do this originally? Yes. But it is obviously possible. Other artists have succeeded.
Hi Janin,
by now I don't quite understand your reasoning – did you use a 3rd party picture or not? The brief did clearly say " 3. Please ensure that you have noted any and all third party material you used - including the source where it can be found."
In the submission form you wrote that you didn't use 3rd party material.
And the halftime feedback clearly stated: "Do you own all copyrights?
No stock material is accepted for this Crowdstorm - Victorinox want to see your original designs!"
The beauty of the internet is that copies and derivatives multiply across sites. So while these may not have been the wings used, they definitely are related to whatever source you did use, otherwise the exact same layout and pattern could not have happened "by chance."
Anyway. Whatever. I am done being hated on.
I never wanted this mud slinging. I tried quietly, behind the scenes. That failed.
@ janin: Or what do you think how this sentence is to be understood: "Have you used any third-party material? Even if you’ve modified or combined it, please know that in this project no stock material is accepted" ?? It's part of the entry form you filed in.
he bastian, this last comments rather refered to the wings of the dragonfly used. obviously cross the lime is able to provide proof that these wings are identical to 3rd party material found in the internet.
I still think that there is a great difference between the zebra and the owl where the entire design is based on a stolen work and the dragonfly wing which can be replaced with any other one and it won't change the outlook :) Just saying ;)
the brief said: "Even if you’ve modified or combined it, please know that in this project no stock material is accepted."
That would be the case for the zebra design, that obviously is the based on the picture you found. I know, all this is hard to understand and sometimes it just sounds picky. Boring and annoying. And some said, well, zebra stripes are zebra stripes.
But even if the design was slightly altered, the use of 3rd party materials can lead to copyright issues. And problems. For examples there have been cases where a big stock agency, that hires very good laywers, did sue and charge fees for an illustration that was based on a photograph found somewhere in the web. They just were able to proof that this photograph was identical with material provided on their website.
And if something like this happens with the design of a knife that is meant to be sold worldwide, licensing can get really expensive. Being sued for not having properly licensed images is even more expensive. So it's a risk to just pick 3rd party material by using google eg.
And that will be the case if the whole design is based on 3rd party materials or not.
I think that's the reason why the brief also states:
"Since your design should be ready to be produced and sold globally, please do not use any part or element of stock illustrations or stock images." NO part or element.
That sounds picky, but according to copyrights and the rules for licencing images it definitely makes sense.
Because the case of a collage design like the dragonfly the client just needs to be sure that the designer does own the rights for every part/element of the design.
if all elements of such an collage are 3rd party material, the client is forced to license every picture that was used (even if only a small element, like a dot, structure or splash was used).
So if in the case of the dragonfly, I just don't know if the dragonfly on the front also is clipart/stock/3rd party material, or the splashes and dots. But the client might be forced to license several images if they want to produce that design.
PS. At the moment I'm really shocked that there is so little awareness about copyrights, licensing e.g. To use 3rd party material in a contest where the brief clearly statest that you shouldn't is NOT ONLY unfair. It might cause serious trouble for the creative who uses this material without caring for copyrights and licensing. It might also cause serious trouble for the client, both legally and financially.
PPS: And probably the plattform might also be held responsible, as providing a place where all this happens, and obviously more than once. I'm no lawyer, though ...
Ok, I'm sorry to be in a situation that my entire work has been doubted. The wing I used on the back of the knife was given to me by a friend of mine who is a photographer and told me that owns the copyrights for it, so no legal issues there. In fact I haven't found anywhere on Internet the exact picture he sent me. Still since wings with the same pattern are found at a stock photo websites I replaced it with a dragonfly wing I took a picture myself and believe me or not, you can never tell the difference from a first sight! So if my design get chosen by any chance I can go either way. Best of luck to everyone!
Your friend is a 3rd party. And HE owns the copyrights for that wing he gave you.
Only he could transfer this rights to the client. And till now you declared that you didn't use any third party material at all.
That is the reason why your work is doubted by now.
To be one the safe side, you should have taken your own photographs from the start. Nor afterwards.
@janin Pinstripe is right. "To be one the safe side, you should have taken your own photographs from the start. Nor afterwards."
"// Please confirm that you have NOT used any stock material and own the rights to all of the artwork displayed in your submission!
Is there anything else that speaks against depicting your idea in the Victorinox Global Voting?" Did you confirm this?
"5.4 The creative will indemnify jovoto from any claims that third parties may assert against jovoto for infringement of their rights as a result of the ideas submitted by the creative. jovoto will inform the creative of any such assertion in writing immediately. The creative will make every effort to support jovoto in preparing a suitable defense. The creative will assume all costs incurred by jovoto in this connection, including reasonable costs for a legal defense. The creative is entitled to prove that the actual costs incurred by jovoto were lower than those claimed."
The real problem is not who make a unfair design, but is the opportunity stolen from someone who has lost time and money, deserving to occupy that place. Jovoto should take a position, not only
censoring those who did wrong, but giving a chance to those who deserve
Why are such entries not sorted out before voting and client choice?
CrossTheLime wrote about it 3 month ago.
Not motivating to put creative work in here...
By now we've got a pretty nasty situation. Unfortunaly not only for those who did play fair and didn't win ... also for those who did play fair and did win ... because by now there is so much doubt and because there are so many questions.
Actually I do suppose that by now almost everybody who did contribute to this contest is wondering, disappointed and frustrated. To be honest: I am.
And I do agree to Tommaso, Fabian and a lot of the things said above: For me it's getting harder and harder to see reasons to be motivated to take part in any new projects here on jovoto. To try to develop an idea that is on brief, from scratch, that has a "unique, unseen and exciting design style" and a "personal touch" is hard work and does take a lot of time. Everybody who takes part in contests will be aware that losing is "part of the game". But I do think that I'm not the only one who thinks that is easier to accept losing and be a "fair loser", a "good sport" if one has the impression that the contest was fair, according to the brief and rules ...
I tried to not air any of this publicly. I reported scores of entries to the guide, who... did nothing. I offered to look through the Top 30, because I do a LOT of these copyright checks. I reported more entries after the voting started.
And basically, I was told (in the case of Norman's owl and the tiger) "yeah, we told Victorinox, and we are all fine with it."
Only then did I contact Norman and other artists that their work was stolen. And funny that now oops, it is a problem. It was a problem before, they just hoped no one would notice.
And for full disclosure - I was accused of copying. In none of the cases, I see the point - the worst you can accuse me of is not being the first to do a bear, sea gull, or cat ying yang...
Yes you did what? I don't think you were among those that accused me of anything, unless you have a double account? I am still happy to discuss these accusations, as I did from the start.
It's really sad how ugly things can get when it comes to money and fame. I think CrossTheLime should be more confident in defeating the competition by skills than starting this whole anti-winners campaign
I truly do not give a damn about winning. I care a LOT about artist rights. Then again, this is coming from someone who only entered stolen artwork, so yeah... I am crushed by your criticism.
@abacadabra:
"It's really sad how ugly things can get when it comes to money and fame."
well, that might be one of the core problems in here. jovotians are supposed to be a nice crowd that's happily "crowdstorming" together. that's the vision.
but at the end of the day/each project (=contest) there are a few that are chosen to be winners, to get some money and "fame".
a jovotian is meant to be a happy crowd member, sharing and helping, having fun e.g. but at the same time he or she is part of a very competitive contest.
We did get in touch with the client about CrossTheLime's reported designs (thank you CrossTheLime for your impressive investigative work!!) and it was the client's choice to keep them in, because there is a fine line between 1 to 1 use and inspiration of artistic material.
Which brings me to the point that, although we ask in every project several times throughout the process if it's your original work, it is the creative's legal responsibility to use and state the material to which they have the rights to. So our advice to you is to not take that chance and to always do original work and/or mention the copyright pieces that you've used.
That being said, we want to do the best we can to create a safe place for you on jovoto to create original work, and we are embarking on processes to react quicker and better to copyright issues. And your support is helping us to do it in the fastest and smartest way. So, please, in any project on jovoto, if you see copied work, report it to us asap.
At the moment, when uploading your work, we ask you if your work is 100% originally yours. But if work is inspired (even traced) from another image (which technically is not 1 to 1 copy), what do you think would be a more accurate statement when uploading an idea, to ensure original work from each creative and that all inspiration is stated?
Hey Diana..I think you could add a menu to specify what kind of technique is uses (collage, hand made drawing or computer illustrations). Also you could request some screenshots for the developement process (that will improve the quality of the submission for the client too).
Some light punishments for copyrighting in this type of contests (like the ones for bashing ) will reduce the frequency of this events.
I'm not against creativity but this kind of events hurt the reputation of the platform...
perhaps a kind of tutorial about copyrights, stock material und the rules of use could be a start. At least for those community members that are inexperienced and really don't know about these things. Who think it's ok to pick pictures where ever you can find them without any second thought. Wo don't know what stock material is, and how to correctly use it. What "tracing" is.
Who aren't even aware that use of stockmaterial or other 3. party material might lead to serious legal trouble for themselve or the client, if it isn't licensed and paid for
It won't interest those who just don't care, though.
thanks for your feedback!
You're right, you ask if the work is 100% original so it is in the responsibility of the member – for me that is enough.
But what happens when someone is obviously not telling the truth at this point?
There must be consequences in my opinion.
Even if copyright laws are not affected because the age of the work these works are off-brief as they are not original. Perhaps a detailed explanation how thick the thin line is would be helpful at this point ;)
I wonder that Victorinox is ok with that as licensing these works could end up really unlovely...
thanks for your feedback. Gosh, these are very thin lines we're treading here.
Actually I just read a brief where the entrants simply get a entry form where they just fill in or copy and paste to show the material they did use/get inspired by.
In regards to "traced" images I've got one more question. If I remember it correctly, at art school we were told that if we use an image to alter it or trace over, it e.g. this still will infringe copyrights of the "urheber" (owner) as long as original image is clearly recognizable as the origin of this "make over". And that the "urheber" could sue us for the use of this material.
Well, this refered to Germany and maybe the copyright laws were altered since.
Bonne Chance à ceux qui on vraiment imaginés et créés leur propre design pour cette compétition et très dommage que ce genre de choses se produisent... bref...
Just wanted to add a comment here, that I think out of respect for the community members, if you discover a copyright infringement, why not send a private message with your findings? In the defense of Jovoto, it is almost impossible to discover all the possible copyright infringements in illustration work, because you can also infringe by stealing someone's style, not just their direct work. Unfortunately there are people who cheat, whether intentionally, unconsciously or because they have gotten away in their school practices with tracing images from the internet and have developed bad habits in their creative work, but I think out of respect for even those who may be infringing, keep it to a private message so as not to incite the anger of the community. There are a lot of people who are not happy with the outcomes of contests, but the community only has as much integrity as what the members bring to it. If you actually aren't even sure what constitutes copyright infringement, this is a pretty good overview, although I suppose it varies from country to country: http://www.aiga.org/copyright-basics-for-graphic-designers/
As creatives in this golden age of technology, I think we are all guilty of spending too much time on the internet seeing what's out there rather than working on developing our own unique styles. It's great to find inspiration and see what's trending, but clients are here because they want to tap into our inner creativity. We all have styles, artists and designers we admire and look up to, but we each have to forge our own paths as graphic designers and creatives, and it's hard to do that when we have the internet as a reference to rely on. Close your browser, get out a piece of paper and start with your imagination, and trust that you probably have better ideas than what you find on Google!
@ madE1086, i agree to a lot of what you said. also about the concept of integrity of a communies members and about respect.
that sentence is interesting: " In the defense of Jovoto, it is almost impossible to discover all the possible copyright infringements in illustration work, because you can also infringe by stealing someone's style, not just their direct work ...".
well, agreed it really would be a pretty tough task to check 1200 + entries. but would really be impossible for jovoto to at least TRY to check the work of the winners?
for example of the community winners during the monitoring or the probable client's choices? Perhaps plus some runners up for the case that there are ideas that fail these check?
that's just an idea as an answer to diana's question how jovoto could create a "save space". and that would spare the clients some nasty surprises, too .-)
Yes you are definitely right, there should be an effort to check the work indeed! I guess I just mean that it's impossible to catch everything, because there are multiple ways to infringe besides direct copying, and that it's good for the community to also keep each other in check if they see something. But I think it can be done in a way that is private so as not to embarrass or shame others.
Dear Diana, you asked about improving the statement … the question which is asked when we enter a proposal is: "Have you used any third-party material? Even if you’ve modified or combined it, please know that in this project no stock material is accepted." ... to my mind, this makes the line between "1 to 1“-copy and "inspiration" quite clear.
It's one thing to be inspired by an artwork and create something alike, but another one to really take identical parts and not mentioning it - 1:1 silhouette shapes from other artworks, complete stock illustrations o.e.) … that - to my mind - is „third party material“.
So concerning everything „crossthelime“ and others wrote yesterday, I have the impression that the problem has two aspects: the first one is people using other peoples work without telling about it, but the second one, which surprised me a little: Jovoto and the client excepted these entries although they got informed about stock-material used (and we see examples here, where I wouldn’t talk about a „thin line“ of inspiration or copying … and it is clearly said „no stockmaterial“...). Apparently Jovoto got informed „behind the scenes“ as well as in the comments, where Massiel f.ex. remarked that owl before submission was closed (so he did contact the designer first, as recommended in the discussion above - but it did not help)
The question for me is: what does Jovoto want…?: leave the decision to the client, when the client doesn't mind, that there is 1:1-third-party-material within an artwork - even if he is told. Or be strict with the contests rules and contact the designer who entered the proposal and encourage him to change it (in this open process here they would have had that chance - must be a very bad situation for them now as well …). As we can see here, it turns out awkward, if this part of „insisting on the rules" is left to community members (... a little strange, that judging and observing each other anyhow …) … best, Karen
and i would like to add that the examples set by entries that are accepted/chosen/winning although clearly breaking rules or copyright laws just lead to other community members nor caring about this rules/laws.
an attitude that might be described as "why should i give a damn if nobody else in here does?"
ps: and the brief does also mention stock material and even specifies that not even parts or element of stock material should be used: "Since your design should be ready to be produced and sold globally, please do not use any part or element of stock illustrations or stock images."
Hello Polygon, I see where you are coming from. It really is a shame to imply statements when you have no evidence. I understand why you would say a thing like that, the thing is I did the illustration myself for the owl and the plants with hand and paper, and I have all the evidence and the PSD files. For the plants illustration I am aware of the vintage elements seen above, because I did a research for my illustration to get a reference. And all that images were used merely for reference and inspiration.
I appreciate the research all the community is doing to protect the artists copyright, and I'm on your side. But it would be a smarter move to contact the author directly to confirm the facts before releasing statements that degrade the author's work without complete knowledge of the situation.
hi there, if i get it right you want say that you just were "inspired" to do some illustrations that look exactly the same as the pictures you found while reaserching and then make a collage out of your "new" pictures ??? sorry to say so, but some people might call that copying.
Wait, the defense is that you drew over existing images, to make it look exactly like those images, and that makes it original?
That ones is difficult, as it is clearly against Jovoto and project rules, but not against copyright laws. Makes a mockery of anyone actually sticking to any rules, but hey - oh, and I checked... that one, I reported on October 3rd, and Jovoto was going to "look into it".
If I just add a little footnote to this discussion; While it's kind of a gray area to use existing images and make a collage - They're still no one who holds the copyright for those images. Walter Hood Fitch died in 1892, which is more than 100 years ago, ergo: His work is under public domain.
hi there, maybe, but the use is still off brief and some terms and conditions of the contest. for example the entry form did ask everybody to declare if they did use 3rd party material. and where it could be found.
and even if work is under public domain it's quite usual to give credit to the author, dead or not .-)
Well, does anybody in here know more about public domain? I'd suppose that even if we are allowed to use such materials, we wouldn't exactly "own" the rights for this material. And I'm also not sure whether all work of an artist/designer eg. who did more than 100 years before will be public domain. (Sometimes there are heirs who secure the rights.) And is art/artwork that belongs to a museum/collection/library eg.
public domain?
The issue "public domain" is really interesting. And there are severel sources in the web where one can read about the laws and rules for public domain.
Unfortunately these seam to be different in different countries, the US handles public domain differently to Europe, Germany, France e.g.
And there have been several cases where copyright holders did refresh/renew their copyrights before these did expire.
To assume that the work of an artist wo died about 100 years ago might be public domain material is a pretty good rule of thumb. But still on might have to check if one is really allowed to use "old" artworks.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain for example:
"As rights are country-based and vary, a work may be subject to rights in one country and be in the public domain in another. Some rights depend on registrations on a country-by-country basis, and the absence of registration in a particular country, if required, creates public domain status for a work in that country."
And there is one more thing: The concept of public domain material is that the PUBLIC does OWN these materials. Any one may use public domain material, but nobody can OWN it.
For this competition we had to confirm that we do OWN any and all rights for all the artworks we submitted.
Cross the lime was absolutely right when she wrote that even if these "vintage" illustration might not cause copyright issues it still is against the the terms and conditions of this contest to use them.
@Gonzalo: WTF?!?!? "the thing is I did the illustration myself for the owl and the plants with hand and paper" you forgot to mention that the paper was siting on a screen with that picture opened!!! i dont think its a coincidence that every little dot is the same....
BTW: And I would rather not trust every website that does advertises "free illustrations". They often aren't copyright free but put into the web by somebody who doesn't know much about copyright...
I now feel bad for the 2 weeks I've spend developing an unique concept, handcrafting original illustrations for any single element of my design (and there are a lot of them, check my submission) and tracing them in the computer just to fond out that is ok to take a design of an great artists (eventually dead so it can't claim any copyright), then change it so it don't match the original artwork '100%' . That' s not even art ... Anyone with something basic knowledge in photoshop can do that in less than 5 minutes. I mention again, I've worked 2 weeks on mine even if I have school and a lot of studies to do and I've got only the 390 place.
Now that the contest is over I invite you to check my ideea. I want at least to have the feeling that some people could enjoy my art in return for all my hard work :(
Of course people respected and liked your idea. 390 place out of 1293 is not too bad, that's like in the top third of all entries. Also EVERYBODY has other things like school and jobs and life going on, and they also put in the a lot of hard work on their designs. You can feel good that you had the integrity to do it right. So keep it up!
The point is that as a beginer artist I struggle more to create original art. Is very dissapointing to see that some of the more experienced users here manage to exploit some gaps in the jovoto system in order to earn prizes more easily than the newcomers. Until now this issue with the copyright and the vote trading based on the popularity on the platform are the biggest problems of this site, and the factor is that the developers can't do anything about this issues in the given situation.
I'm a begginer artist too and I've worked lot of time in my design and I feel the same, because is pathetic that a a person in 5 minutes can create a design using work of other and a little photoshop. Also, I love your design, is very original, colorfully and funny. I want to participe the next year in this project and I expect that your design and mine will be better valued. Good luck :)
Hi JOVOTO, I voted for some of the designs deleted by you, for not being original, can I vote again? By the options that if they are original. Thanks, how do I do it?
I have the same feeling then Andrei Costa,yes my Artwork doesnt look that professional then the most others but all is done by myself and its somethong completly different. Its just sad, that a competition ends in such a disscussion...
Hi there, I wanted to handle it descreetly and mainly behind the scene.
But you might be interested to know that I just informed the guide about another victorinox entry picked for the final voting that obviously used stock material without providing any information about this. (Perhaps it's even two, but the second one isn't that obvious and i left it to jovoto to check futher or not).
Well, if this project proved anything, "quietly and behind the scenes" does not work well with Jovoto. Neither does any public discussion during the project, because any comment that does not say "wow beautiful" will result in bashing. And we aren't being paid to spend time policing the site...
I am basically stumped what does help. Honestly? Wait for whichever entry wins, then get the copyright holder involved, let him start a shirt storm and take legal steps, and make this expensive and embarrassing.
@cross the lime:
"get the copyright holder involved, let him ... take legal steps, and make this expensive and embarrassing".
well, this might sooner or later happen the other way round. stock agencies e.g. are well aware that people are tempted to nick their material.
and at least some of them do mark their material with watermarks and digitally e.g. or do use softeware to browse the web and find out where their images are used.
Unfortunately is too late. People who already voted those cheaters already lost their option to vote again. In any case final result will be unfair for all participants!!!
It is so sad to see the turn of events for this contest, it bother me to realize that people are selected for the final vote while their design are copying paste work from elsewhere ... but that does victorinox and jovoto! ?
I congratulate the creative designer who have done everything themselves
And I really congratulate the members who searched and found the copy designs
I hope that victorinox will reward those who did the job of cheater search
I spend hours finding and photographing Swiss wild animals then I cut them off and work computer and then put in associate in a design composition for this contest while others in three click to copy the design of creative real and d 'Illustrator and we put for their project in this contest and that in addition they are selected by the jury for the final vote ... I remain speechless
Hey Bertrandk, Did you go 'hunting' animals for photographs?
That's beyond awesome. If yes, why didn't you upload a "making of as well". Many times the process is as important and even more fascinating, dare I say, than the final result.
pour moi le mot "hunting" n'est pas juste,
hunting = killing dans mon language, je n'ai jamais fait de mal aux animaux, j'essai juste de capturer de belles photos des animaux sauvages suisses, et ce dans le plus grand respect, j'essaie de ne jamais les effrayer et de rester le plus discret possible, me fondre dans leur environement...
oui je suis allé photographier des chamois, des oiseaux et les lézards verts, puis j'ai travaillé mes photos pour les assembler dans des compositions tout ce que j'ai présenté pour ce concours est fait maison, et j'en suis un peu content même si j'ai rien gagné à le faire le chemin est plus important que le but!
j'essaie juste de vivre en harmonie avec la nature
Google translate:
For me the word "hunting" is not fair,
Hunting = killing in my language, I never hurt animals, I just try to capture beautiful pictures of Swiss wild animals, with the utmost respect, I try never to frighten them and Stay as discreet as possible, melt into their environment ...
Yes I went to photograph chamois, birds and green lizards, then I worked my photos to assemble in compositions all that I presented for this contest is homemade, and I am a bit content Even if I won nothing to do it the way is more important than the goal!
I just try to live in harmony with nature
The owl and the floral elements are exactly as the vintage pictures. In your entry description you even say you did not use any 3rd party materials which is a lie! I do hope that Jovoto and Victorinox take action otherwise the rules are a joke.
This Projects terms and conditions:
"5.2 The creative also guarantees that he will not submit or offer any content, in particular ideas or work samples, that encroach upon the rights of third parties or where content is ineligible in accordance with the above provisions. The creative must check whether his ideas and the associated works infringe the rights of third parties. Indications for such contractual infringements are given when, in particular,
5.2.1 Works subject to copyright, e.g. graphics, videos, photos or text (even when edited or alienated, unless the original can no longer be identified), are used that were not created by the creative himself;"
In view of that issues I would like to hear a direct feedback from Victorinox. I can't believe that they don't care about that. They also have their principles and code of Conduct. So lets hear what the client say. I think it would be great, if only proven designs with clear copyright owners enter the final voting stage... And there are a lot of those designs in this contest. Maybe Victorinox should not using Facebook for their voting - they can give their voters the direct link to jovoto project site. ;)
I appreciate the "live" discussion we have here.
We collect all your thoughts and tips how to improve ourselves in the future in ways of the briefing, our feedback and in the final phase of the projects. And while we are at it, that would be my request from you, to continue with it in a constructive way.
I see and understand the frustration and disappointment from some of you and hope you can take the weekend to let it go and also give us time to solve it.
I am confident that we will find a way to clear it out and make our stand;
jovoto & you - the community, more clear.
The frustration springs, i think, from the fact that you step over your word with the jovotans in favour of the company, and consider it just a tiny procedural bug (like in the lunchbox for adidas contest) easily fixed through well placed PR moves, replies, but don`t actually try to solve the real problem. This cannot happen anymore, the world is waking up to all the junk in society. No offense, but we do the real work for the companies, and we don t like being neglected and lied about deadlines, or the "game" to be unfair. The best way to get over this, and also the fairest, would be to publically admit you failed, drop some real excuses and some payments. Also i suggest in the future to make a small section with little gifts for all the jovotans which come with at least one realist, doable, oroginal idea, could be like a Jovoto logo t-shirt or something. Start being fair, stop using the CORPORATIST way of dealing with things, and start incorporating COMPASSION,
Ok people, I don't mean to stir the pot but we've all been so concentrated on this year's entries we forgot to see that the problem strats way back at the begining of the contest at 2012 where one of the chosen 10 designs is a simple stock image: https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox-2012/ideas/19678
And if you look underneath, there are comments about it. As I get it right the company pays off the creativities through the community voting and get what they like for their voting :/
@ vlad_ooo: this might be slightly different. in 2012 the brief did not mention that stock material isn't allowed. this year this was made very clear, explained and repeated several times.
but you're still right, the problems with use of stock or 3 rd party material isn't a new issue.
last year took part in a competition where 3 rd party material was allowed, if it was possible for the client's to license it. we were supposed to provide the informations and links the client would need to license 3 rd party/stock material.
there were several entrants that didn't even bother to fill in the entry form. the lines where they should state whether they did use third party material and where it could be found were left blank. nonetheless these entries did stay in the contest.
and some of them did win, and even were cc in the end.
well.... where there is more than 1 human being, and especially when money comes into play... we tend to screw things up.
I dont know why out of all animals in the world, most people just picked cats & dogs!?!?
We’d like to thank you for holding high standards, making this discussion happen, and keeping it a priority. The use of third party material, and how we handle it is imperative to creating the fairest workplace for creatives.
In regular Crowdstorms it is common that creatives can use third party material to illustrate their idea as long as they clearly mention the material and its source. In the particular case of the Victorinox Limited Edition it is not: Victorinox only wants to see designs uploaded that the creative owns the exclusive rights for.
What we learn from this discussion is that not all creatives - and not even all clients - have the same idea about “third party material”. While some consider even a vague resemblance of a visual to an existing one as “stolen”, others believe that they created an exclusive visual if they reconstruct an existing design as “their own” vector-graphic.
We had an open and constructive discussion with Victorinox. They decided to take two further designs (Owl in Nature & Counting Sheep) down from the public voting because the application of the material is too close to the submitted idea, but they didn’t feel is the case of other submissions.
As said: We thank you for bringing up this issue and will work on a better and common understanding on “third party materials” amongst the designers on our platform, ourselves and our clients. Thank you again for raising awareness.
I asked the same question one week ago. But I think it is too late now. The voting process is almost done. And at the end there will be only 10 designs. It is a pitty! There could have been 3 others designs in the contest, if this problem of third party material has been solved before... :( :( :(
Oh sorry, I have been informed that I mistyped. Not only 3 designs - there could have been 6 other designs in the contest... Or more. Who knows? Only the design owners know the real truth. And if someone who has cheated by designing - not matter how - can not be proud in case of winning this voting. Because the rules were fixed before. Everyone knew. Good luck dear honest designers :)
As Ramona mentioned the voting ends in 1 week, and it isn't possible at this point to add designs to the vote. The 10 final designs will be selected from the designs that are currently in the running.
One week is nothing much, but, it is all we needed!
If any replacements, which is best enough to be among the voting and meet the rules, why not give the these design another changes again? I think many of us still dream about our design becoming a real product! A week still good enough for our dream. No regret, because we had try our best to advanced into the final voting phase! Even thought we lose the voting phase, we still happy that we had made it to the final voting phase.
It is not that we wouldn't love to give you guys a chance (!), it's just that it is not possible technically and process wise, and it would affect the date of release of the new Limited Edition. There are unfortunately many details to the mechanism.
Let's vote indeed! :)
Hello everyone, I support the idea of replacements and I see why everyone is disappointed, including me. Even though this won't be technically possible I believe now focusing on ways to avoid this issue next year is what is important. :)
today was the last voting day to vote in Victorinox’s site on the Limited Edition 2017.
We are very excited for next week, with the announcement of the 10 Winners for this year!!!
The discussion on the final design list lead to a lot of discussion and we are very thankful for it.
We were in touch with the aforementioned Creatives, and have received official statements and relative work materials.
We were also in close contact with Victorinox and they have provided the following statement:
"Victorinox has been informed about the use of third-party materials in this contest and is taking it very seriously. Victorinox and jovoto checked all of the designs in question and gave the designers the opportunity to make a personal statement in response to the complaints received. Due to these statements, only 32 designs remain in the voting. Blatant copies have been removed. For next year’s competition, Victorinox and jovoto will clearly define the guidelines for the use and inspiration of third-party materials so the situation is clear and everyone is on the same page. Victorinox would like to thank all designers for their passion and the numerous submissions and we’re looking forward to a wonderful and varied Classic Limited Edition 2017!"
As Victoinox mentioned, next year we will make extra precaution to avoid a similar situation. Currently we are working on our briefs, couching our creative guides and setting better standards to make our Crowdstorms more clear and precise.
Thank you again for the wonderful submissions and ideas and for your participation & communication on jovoto! You can add your comments here or write us directly to community@jovoto.com for further questions.
10 exciting, iconic and unseen designs for the Classic Limited Edition 2017 were published yesterday on Victorinox fb. Victorinox has chosen 10 strongest visual impacts and greatest stories of over 1200 designs wow!!!
Thank you J P for your announcement, you were faster then us - and now i'll make it official:
I am very glad to announce the Victorinox Winners for the Limited Edition 2017!!!
We have variety designs and a very nice mix of new jovotans and creatives that are with us for years. This year 10 chosen Designs go to:
It was a very tough decision to choose only 10 designs from this creative pool of 1252 ideas!!! Victorinox as well as we - are looking forward for the next Limited Edition Crowdstorm with more amazing submissions - Thank you all for participating and being involved!
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Hi everyone,
I am so happy to be your creative guide for this year's Classic Limited Edition of Victorinox Swiss Army Knife 2017 :) Looking forward to seeing some eye-catching designs with your personal animal of the world.
If you want to see more about me and my work you can read more here.
All the best, Ingo from OLD YELLOW
Hello Ingo,
It will be a real pleasure having you as a guide on this project. Look forward to our collaboration.
Till our first projects are online, wish you a great day.
Hello Harry, it's a real pleasure having you as a creative on this project. Great website! ;)
I LOVE this competition!! Thankful just to be able to submit!
Hi Margaret, great to have you on board! :)
So glad it happens again this year- thanks Victorinox & Jovoto! Good luck to everyone :)
It's very exciting- Victorinox now even has a home on jovoto. Check out the Victorinox Creative Hub! You can find all past projects :) Enjoy browsing!
That's pretty cool Jess!! Great idea :)
I LOVE VICTORINOX :) Thanks and Good Luck ..!!
Oh, I like it! Again-again-again! Let's do it!!)
Hi Ingo. Is it REALLY necessary that the animal represents the country we live in? I know that's on the briefing, but I also see that people choose animals they love. Which I agree :) So, can we choose the animal, even if we don't have it?
Thanks :)
Hey Paolo, it is not that important. Just choose an animal you like. ;)
Thanks Ingo :)
Hi there Ingo (Oldyellow),
I also wanted to make sure whether it's compulsory that we stick to animals that are representative for the country we live in. (Although actually I don't mind much, because there are a lot of interesting and beautiful animals living here.)
Regards Sabine
Hi Sabine, just let it out what you got in mind or in your heart. If there is an animal which got a relation to you it would be better than an animal from your country.
hi old yellow, thanks .-)
GRATEFUL, GUIDED BY BROTHER HERE
Hi Ingo! my question is whether one designer can have more ideas with same animals but designed differently - for instance fox and rooster designed differently, different styles(fox and rooster appearing in 3 completely different designs). Is that acceptable?
3 different styles are welcome. If it's a version, please upload all ideas in the slide.
ok, thank you, that clarifies.
Oh cool! Animals are great :) Is it ok, if an animal is submitted double? For example: One creative submit a rooster and another creative also submit a rooster, but created in another design style? Or should be every sort of animal only submitted once?
Ah sorry - I forgot something: Hello Ingo from Old yellow! Welcome in our jovoto-family :) I hope you will feel comfortable with us ;)
I doubt you can limit the use of animals. :) How many entries did we have before, around 1000? That would be a LOT of animals.... I am hoping that people are fair enough to not steal concepts - either technique + animal or unique implementation of an animal. Hope springs eternal...?
hello dear Ramona, as far as i know it is ok as long as the design/style is not to similar.. :)
Different ideas - different styles of the same animal are allowed. ;) Thank you for joining the project.
Hello Ingo, such a great pleasure to be our guide, thank you for your help!
Hi! One question... are insects now allowed or not? Would be glad if yes! :)
Insects are very welcome. ;) Can't wait to see your ideas..
TOP! :)
If you ask Google ;) "National Geographic lists "bugs" as one of its categories under "Animals." According to Wikipedia, insects belong to "the most diverse groups of animals on the planet, including more than a million described species." Most of these species are insects. Other species of the Arthropoda phylum include crabs and lobsters."
Would it make sense to just remove the entries using stolen work/ clipart/ stock? There will be such a huge number of entries, it would be nice if the screen was not taken up with clipart.
I think the same. This way all projects which are eligible will get more visibility.
I agree with you.
Well, that might make voting a lot easier .-). And fairer, too.
But there will be some entries that just ended up looking "stock-ish" although there is no stock material used. How can clip art e.g. definitely be spotted?
And do you think that eligibility (for the client) would also mean that only entries that can be produced/do regard the print specs should stay on screen?
I was only referring to the numerous entries where the clipart link was already provided - and they are allllll there. Honestly, you might as well exclude these people altogether... They just enter more clipart.
ah, didn't see that yet. those could actually be removed .-)
makes one wonder why anybody uses stock material although the question if one uses that and the warning that it's NOT to be accepted are nor to miss in the questionaire .-)
They think they can get away with it? They do not understand the concept of copyright? Laziness? It is one of my ultimate pet peeves.
no idea, actually i'd be too lazy to make the effort to search for stock material for a project where a design made with this material won't be accepted .-)
Thank you for asking us this one: Victorinox wants your own ideas and no clipart from stock markets. The chance to win is so much higher if it is your own idea. We will consider all copyright problems in the final week of the award.
Hi Oldyellow, thanks for answering. That makes things clearer. By now I've got another question: What's the "social award" about? Regards, Pinstripe
Hi Prinstipe. About the Social Award I found something here: https://www.jovoto.com/faq/basics
Hey guys, this was the first project with a Social award, you can check it here: https://www.jovoto.com/projects/unmaskthecorrupt/landing Might be helpful for more info. :)
thanks, maryia and AndraG
@ Pinstripe: This award goes to the community member that creates the biggest social impact by sharing their unique ideas on social media and gain the most shares, retweets, likes and comments.
cool, on my way)
I really like that we can give tips and tricks to each other and that we have a guide who gives us a feedback! Can't wait to have my computer again! I'm lucky to know this website!
Thank you for beeing a part of the jovoto community.
Hi there, I can't open the files from ''Project Kit Victorinox''! Does anyone else have a same problem? Help! I wish good luck to all of you guys :)
Maybe you have to download a zipfile-encoder. ;)
I can not delete the old and outdated images of my proposal. I would just leave the latest updates. How do I do that? Thank you.
You can delete slides from a proposal just in the first 24 hours after submission. But you don't need to delete them anyway :) having all your previous versions of a proposal, shows better how your design evolved
Hi Walter, that's correct. But if the picture you want to remove is the cover image, it can't be deleted as long as it's the first picture in the row. Also within the first 25 hours. You can delete a cover image only after you did shift it and did put another picture at it's place.
Thank you.
If you want to delete the whole slide I can do it. Parts of the slides we can not delete. It is better for the client to see how you develop an idea.
I'm really thrilled to see client choosing the ones to be produced! There's not even the half way of the project and Victorinox already have like a entire design library to choose from for the next 10 years!
I'm totally impressed & blown away of all designs submitted so far! You really rock jovotans! The best of luck to everyone! It's gonna be the all-time toughest clients selection! They have so many many awesome designs to choose! Wow! This is Crazy! :)
Thanks for your enthusiasm Xavier, I'm very impressed myself so far!
Hi guys,
I am glad to see, how the project develops. Thank you for all your great ideas so far!
We got an exciting happening this week! On Wednesday the 7th September at 3pm I will be live on Facebook to give you feedback on your designs!
You will be able to share your designs with me and I will give you hints on how to hit the nail on the head and develop your designs further! And if you have questions about your designs, I will do my best to answer them. I look forward to meeting you then! You find the jovoto Facebook page where it all will happen here.
See you on Wednesday!
hi ingo , i haven't facebook but see you there what ever !!
Hi guys! This is my first work on Jovoto and I read that is not possible to delete the old work. How do designers communicate that they changed something? Is there a way or not? Thank you.
Thank you for asking us this. For the client, it is interesting to see how you develop your idea. It shows better how your design evolved. The new remixes are always on the top. If you want to delete the whole slide, you can only do it within 24 hours or ask me. I hope I could answer your question.
Yes, thank you! I updated my work, hope you'll like it :)
LIVE ON FACEBOOK TODAY AT 3 PM (CET)
At 3PM today I will be live on the jovoto Facebook page to meet some of you, answer any questions you might have about design & creativity and give you LIVE feedback on your ideas. You will have the possibility to post your submissions in the LIVE chat and get direct feedback from me to help you develop it further.
You can get to know me and some of my previous work on the OLD YELLOW website.
Looking forward to meet some of you then! :)
Best, Ingo
Hey there!
Are you guys **watching Ingo LIVE on our jovoto facebook page?
Get feedback LIVE on your design submissions now! Tune in and have a chance to get your design broadcasted until 3:30 PM :)**
Yes! I watch it! It is really great! Although I wish my idea being discussed there & getting some advices, may be next time... because there are too many ideas to talked about. With the halftime feedback, I hope I will improve & further develop my idea.
Oh no, missed this opportunity.
Thanks for the great video Jovoto! :) Just one tip for the next time. Maybe you could pick few projects you like there from out of top 100 list. There is a lot of great designs that deserve it also IMO ;)
This time we mixed it. We talked about popular submissions (voted by the community) and submissions from creatives in the chat.
no problem .. I think everyone can learn a lot about public feedback.. I am glad you organized something like this there! I am also glad this fact that there is a guide that check all proposals even there are so many ;)
Hey OldYellow, I have a question concerning the logo. I've created some designs where the art shows through in the negative areas of the logo- would this application be allowed. Or would it be better to enclose the logo in white or another color that would fit the design?
Thanks
Hi! It is better if the logo are more close to the original. But a special idea can allow different colours. But shape and position is fixed.
Hi OldYellow, at the moment I've got a question concerning the production/print of the knifes. The brief states that "It must be technically possible to produce your design suggestions. An expert team from Victorinox will test the feasibility of your designs." I think that means that ideas that can't be printed can't be a Client's Choice. These knifes are really small,so actually it's a bit hard to guess/figure out, what can/could be printed, technically speaking. Are there any specs or rules of thumb how "big" a detail should be or how thin a line can be?
Regards Pinstripe
There is no general rule. It should not be too detailed. I took a look on your desgns. They look great and are definitely printable.
hi ingo, thanks – then I seam to be in the right track. have a nice weekend .-) regards sabine aka pinstripe
Dear OLDYELLOW, I have the same concern, as my design is based on original watercolor painting and has some small details. How can I make sure, that the design is within the rules? Thank you!
Does the guide give rating or just partecipants and other people?
I have the same influence on the rating like anybody else in the community.
Hi, I missed the half time feedback. Do you think I could still get some feedback on what the client thinks of my design?
Thanks and best, Sharon
There was no halftime feedback... :) They did a Facebook live vid, which you should be able to watch in replay from the Jovoto Facebook page.
There will be a halftime feedback as well. Will be posted tomorrow!
Hi everybody,
you can find the halftime feedback above in the brief, now.
Please have a look at it and keep it in mind to develop your design in the right direction. We have received positive feedback on many ideas and the client is very happy with the variety and quality of your submissions.
So please keep up the good work! We are all very excited to see what you come up with in the next weeks!
Best, Ingo / Old Yellow
Does the design have to be about an animal in the designer's origin country? Seems like that's one of the requirements when I was reading the brief, but I've seen some artworks don't follow that instruction. I wonder are we free to create any animals around the world and in any combinations. Thanks!
The task is: Choose an animal you love and that is typical of your country, your region or your culture. So you can be born in Switzerland, living in the USA but with parents from India. So if you have a connection to a culture just choose it, no matter where you come from. Just choose an animal and a story behind, what motivates you to create an artwork.
Hi Old Yellow!
I have a question regarding my design "Matterhorn Marmots". In there I am using the "color sliding technique" (sorry, don´t know the English word, it´s "Verlauf" in German), which means f.ex. a dark green fades over into a light green.
Would that be something that is technically not possible for the client to print? Do I have to change the coloring?
Thanks in advance. Lynn :)
Hi Lynn, this is no problem for the print. ;)
Ok, great!
Hey, everyone! :) I have a problem that some of you probably had faced yourself. There is an another submission that really makes me feel like my idea has been stolen. Since the author claims this isn't true I would like to hear what do you think? Apologize if I'm wrong 0:) This is my work: https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox2017/ideas/53907 and this is the new submission: https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox2017/ideas/55046
Don't worry, it's only the same theme, but in my view you both used different ways of execution! That's because our brains pattern about a lady bug in combination with the knife tools are very similar :) Good luck you both!
Thank you! And you're right! :) The styles are different. New one is more realistic while mine is very simplified. What bothered me more was the very similar description which I guess could be a coincidence :)
Yeah, as you might have figured out - this has been done in previous years, a lot. https://www.jovoto.com/search?q=ladybug
Oh, wow! :)) I guess I was wrong and have to admit that it's amazing how similar the human brain works!
And even if there would be a stolen version of yours - just feel appreciated that you are the Inspiration model. ;)
True :))
Hi everybody. Is someone out there interested in doing a teamwork? I have a couple of ideas and need some help.
always listening :)
I´m in too :D
HI Jaguar, welcome to Jovoto, what kind of help do you need? :))
Thank you!
Hola Jaguar... Dime de que se trata el proyecto
Thank you man!
Hello all!
There are only 6 days left until the end of the submission period. That means it's the last chance for you to invest your creativity and visualize all the great ideas you've got in your pocket!
We're very happy to have so many awesome and diverse artworks. Perhaps while you're looking at the current ideas you see there is an animal that's missing or a technique you think should definitely be there! You can take inspiration from our Pinterest board:
Pinterest/Animals of the World!
We are all very excited to see what you come up with in the next days! Good luck!
Best, Ingo / Old Yellow
Hello Ingo!
One question, Can I draw a Dragon for a Hong Kong theme? Thank you and good luck everyone :)
For sure! ;)
Hi ! I have a question.I want to update my design.How could I delete the old one?
It is not possible to delete the older versions of your work. The client like to see your development.
read more here
Hello, I wonder if I can use some downloadable resources only in terms of adornment and aesthetics for the presentation? the design of the knife is completely own and doesn't have any resource at all.
What do mean with resources?
leaves and fonts but they are not in the design of the knife
For the presentation, it is allowed.
gray and transparent my sincere greetings,all sisters and brothers-in-one.for participating in such a beautiful activity Jovoto ;)
Wow!!! There are so many beautiful ideas this year, it's incredible :)
this year is the VICTORINOX year!...they are going to need a lot of time to decide which of them to choose and like most! :DDD congrats to designers with such ideas, skills and presentation! wish you luck!
I'm new in this and i wanna thank you all for the support and the advices, it's such a great team!
Thank you to Jovoto , made possible to share an idea and find friends to share ideas. Thank also to Victorinox to use a new technology for a traditional tool to find a new design. I enjoy very much the community of the page and wish everybody for now good luck and also for the future good luck. I am looking forward for the next contests.
Excuse me, do you have an extension deadline to submit the work? I'm very interested to participate it but receive just today the invitation. Best regards!
Welcome! You have 9 hours left to join the Classic Limited Edition 2017.
Hello!, is my first time in Jovoto. I have a question up just a proposal ... but with 4 variants. Are basically 2 drawings that change size and / or position is correct upload it? Thank you.Or should I climb 4 proposals separately?Link: https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox2017/ideas/55816
Hi everybody, I've done 1259 votes...I'm finished now. I beg for faireness! Good luck to all of us!
Wow!!! You are fast!!!
Yep, I did it bit by bit :)
YESSSSSSSSSS! this is the end! a lot of suuuuper works here! Jovoto community put in this project a lot of energy and good vibes! good luck dear friends!
So much energy. am very impressed and happy about the big output.
It is too late to submit?
unfortunately yes
Submissions are now closed. We hope to see your ideas in the next Victorinox Limited Edition project.
So now what is the next step..??. The voting time or waiting the decision??
both! vote & wait:)
There are votings and decisions for the Community prizes, Client's choice, Best collaboration, Best feedback and the Social Award.
Wow. So many great design, and so many "last minute" ideas. :) Good luck for everyone. Thank you for your support, comments, feedback and fairness.
Good luck for all! There are so many great designs - animals became very inspiring theme:)
I already have my design ready. How do I upload my design to the competition?
I'm sorry -unfortunately you missed the date for the upload. the competition is now closed for new designs but you can still be a part and vote for your favorites, happy to have you on board!
Hi, Roberto!
Submissions are now closed. We hope to see your ideas in the next Victorinox Limited Edition project.
SUBMISSIONS ARE NOW CLOSED
Big thanks to all of you. I'm impressed by the great designs submitted around the topic of Animals of the World!
Now the ratings only period begins. Please take a look at all of the ideas and give your rating. You can vote for as many ideas as possible, but please – don't forget to keep the brief in mind and reflect that in your ratings. As always, be generous and fair.
If you have any questions feel free to reach out via PM or ask here under the brief. Thank you very much. It was a big pleasure to guide you all. I feel very inspired and had much fun.
Cheers Ingo/ Old Yellow
Dear Ingo, also thank you very much for being our guide! It was really a great pleasure designing for this year's competition and we had many things to learn! All the best!
Ya! It is a great honor & pleasure to developed our idea under your guidance! Thank you very much, Ingo aka Old Yellow!
Hi Old Yellow, is possible to pubblish our ideas on our personal facebook page? thanks!!
Thank you Old Yellow :) Best of luck to everyone!!!
Thank you very much Ingo for your guidance :) There are so many beautiful ideas, Good Luck Every one :)
Beautiful contest and awesome designs. I want to congratulate all of the participants because all of them had great ideas! Good Luck Everyone!!!! Also big thanks to Old Yellow for being our guide ! :)
It is allowed to publish your ideas on your facebook page. Please say something about the project --> Victorinox Limited Edition 2017
Thank you so much Ingo.
Thank Jovoto, Victorinox, Ingo and all designers participate in this project. This is my first time joining Victorinox project and I'm so excited. I take a look at all the designs and I fell like having a great world art tour. I can feel your cultural background on your works. Thank and good luck to all of you my friends :)
PS: Want to learn how the jovoto rating system works? click here
How are badges decided and given out? Very little to no info anywhere about that.
Hi tcurtisart. The badges are given by us, simply by noticing your work on the platform. However, when you apply to become a jovoto Pro, if your application is confirmed, you will receive at least one outstanding skill badge. https://www.jovoto.com/blog/creatives/jovoto-pro/
Does this answer your question? Cheers, Diana
It's my first time in this project and I feel without any chance with so many experienced designers but I am glad I am part of it! Good luck everyone !
It is the first time I have participated in this project and indeed, when I saw the large number of concepts illustrated for the topic Animals of the World I was overwhelmed at the same time excited by the variety of styles and animals, as well as inspiration to everyone sample and, in my case, made me make marks around animals that exist in Mexico. You see I can honestly say that perhaps not among among the best despite having experience in the field of design and illustration, and still have the satisfaction of participating in a most extraordinary and varied project, the perspectives of others good designers and show great interest in professional and personal development that makes us get them as good colleagues. Thank you very much to Jovoto and Victorinox to present a major project that unleashes and motivation to every designer from anywhere in the world. Congratulations and I am proud and happy to belong to this community. Congratulations! ¡Suerte a todos los participantes!
Thank you for your kind words, Robert. We love and appreciate the energy of the project as well. Good luck! Diana
Excuse me for this.. But where can I see ny karma points?.. I am new in this page and also it is my first time that I participated in ine proyect
hi paugc39m, check "My Profile", thats where the number of your karma points should be listed.
Does anybody know what karma points are?
hi david, you can find the answer for that question in the faq: https://www.jovoto.com/faq/basics#what-is-karma
Thank you very much! :)
Curious about the result, many amazing entries!!! Was great to be part for the first time and share a bit from my country! Thank you for the feedback Oldyellow and guys who commented and rated! ;)
help me, Hi good afternoon, I write because I have the following doubt in that area of the web page Jovoto I can upload my projects to participate in the contest Swist army?
It end few days ago, now only you can vote!, the last day you should upload your proyect was on septenber 26. :/
Mizrrainm, the submission period has ended, you can´t submit your project at the contest. I´m sorry :/
Hey everyone!!! Only 4 days left for voting, please try to rate every single idea so the rating stays fair!!! And please stay FAIR when rating each design !!! Good luck everyone :)
Doing my part!!!
AWESOME :)
You know what is the best part of this project? That so many people and professionals can see your work. Exciting, especially if you are only an amateur :)
Hi everyone, there are only 4 days left for voting :) good luck everyone ..!!
Hi guys. A quick question: what are the Crowdstorm hashtags for this project? Thanks :)
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm still speechless. Your works don't cease to amaze and inspire me (a lot). So many wonderful techniques and concepts! Keep it up :D
Yes, there are so many great and beautiful designs - I have no idea how Victorinox wants to take a decision of selecting only 40 ideas for the final vote... They will have a tough time... ;D
Dear colleagues, The criticism reflected in your voting will make your votes more objective if you vote other's artwork as if it is your artwork! ;-)
I for one, would appreciate if those 1-star ratings i keep receiving from time to time would also have a comment attached to them, so i know where / what i did wrong.
How does one know that one only gets a 1-star rating? I only get a message if it´s a top rating. I would like to know what ratings I get and why...
when your overall rating score drops hard, you know someone gave you a very bad rating. My overall rating score dropped by 0.4-0.7 four times since i have entered top 100!
Yes that's the fun part of being in the top 100 !!! Don't worry too much, the monitoring at the end of the project will cancel most of the votes from "Bad" raters !!!
Wow! there are so many surprises if you take the time to go patiently through the 42 pages! Amazing works that get overlooked between the big amount of ideas! good luck everyone ..!!
This is my 1st project on jovoto, and this community rating system is leaving a bitter taste... i dont know the criterias on which people rate the work other designers do, but I would love if I could just find out.
Hi everyone, only 1 days left for voting :) here are so many great ideas ...good luck everyone ..!!
This is my 1st participation on Jovoto, and I hope don't to spam you... but if you could check out my ideas, I'LL BE SO GRATEFUL WITH ALL OF YOU. Thanks for all OldYellow, for guide us and support us. And for everybody that commented my projects. THANKS.
Me encantan todos los diseños, thank you very much for your good comments :)
Just amazing to be part of this and to see all the beautiful artwork submitted. It's really great that every entry has so much character and uniqueness in their designs. It's gonna be a tough choice but I am happy to be able to share with so many great artists! Good luck to everyone!! ❤️
To be honest I do not think a lot about this rating mechanism on our part. I believe that voting and criticisms must be given by the staff of Victorinox ... there is internal marketing purpose. Otherwise, if we vote among us I might say ... could ... be a vote or judgments distorted ... but without malice .... It 'a thought of course not a criticism! :) Ad Maiora Adriano
good luck to all!
Last 26 hours everyone!!!! Please try to take the time to rate every idea in a FAIR way!!! Everyone works so hard for their design, we deserve to be rated consequently!!! Best of luck to all designers ❤️
The voting quote for my designs are round about 40 votes (for the "best") and 20 (for the "worst") from more then 1200 entries and round about 200 -300 designer who designed all this ideas. That are only 16,7% (for the "best"). So the main problem is, if someone has more then e.g. 40 votes for his/her idea he/she has automatically a better rate. I always vote all entries....every time a lot work. Many of the new designer doesn't know how to vote. Some of the other - or maybe the most of the other- have no lust or just no time, or it's equal for them. Sometimes this could be a good strategy to let the crowd push the own designs. I never thought about this fact. It brings me to an conclusion for the next time. Maybe I'm wrong, but in my little brain it cries so loud sorry...and I know that last but not least the client has the decision which design he will take for the final crowd voting.
hi ru_flair, well, sorry to say so but your thoughts and conclusion might be correct .-( good luck, anyhow
great opportunity! i really enjoy it, and i´m excited to see the designs on the knifes!
Justo few hours!!!
exciting :) good luck to everyone! cheers!
Ohhh I'm so sorry I'm late to participate in this project! Good luck to all of you!
but you still can vote!!! ;)
I tried my best. A lot of beautiful designs.
Good luck to everyone!! I tried to vote as much projects as I could!! :)
There are some really amazing pieces here!
good luck to all! :)
Woah! went through alot of designs..... All da best!!
The last days i was in Switzerland & Austria and saw some of the Limited Edition Designs 2016 in a shop - it is such a great feeling & a pleasure to see here the Designs for 2017!! Good luck to all of you & please vote fair in the last hours :)
Hey everyone, there are only 5 hours left for voting :) good luck everyone and plz vote fair..!!
Hello dear all! I am amazed by so many wonderful designs that I voted so far, good luck to all of us! I am not sure about this task definition in briefieng: "Choose an animal you love and that is typical of your country, your region or your culture", because I saw so many designs that the animal are not from the designer's country of origin...I just realized it yesterday, because I intensified my votes, and when I vote I usually read all the history behind. When I first read the briefing, I researched a lot about typical Brazilian animals that I could draw, because Brazil is my country of origin. Anyway, it was so pleased to see so many beautiful animal designs, they are lovely anywhere in the world.
This is weird: I keep receiving top ratings, but my overall rating is still dropping down :))
Traian that's cos of other factors. While you see top ratings you don't see lower ones. But you can see the overall number of ratings in the very top with other stats. Also as other designs go up or down it effects the overall stats for everyone else. For eg. 8.53 was enough for being 9th but now lets say you have 8.70 and you're 13th. It's all stats sistem Btw-I hate stats! Lol wishing you all the best!
Yeah, that makes sense
Hahah ahhh! The same case with me! Shortly after I get positive feedback and high rating, total score starts falling. It seems that some people are very active here :) bah! It also happened to me that I got the e mail 'jovotan give you high score rating' two messages but when I look to jovoto newsfeed shows only one 'jovotan give you high score rating' ..and number of ratings still same :> Does that mean that someone is giving a high rating and then come back and change that rating in low? Anyway, I enjoyed this project very much! I enjoyed in all gorgeous designs, I was maximally fair, and I wish you all good luck guys :))) <3 <3 <3
The rollercoaster is always running in these big public project: up & down & up & down...same by me. Thats really crazy to watch.. I think if someone gives a high rating & change it later in a lower rating Jovoto will see/correct it in the monotoring phase. I hope so :) Good luck to you all!
Go go go!!!!!! Deadline is near!!!! :-)
only 2 hours left :) good luck everyone :]]]]
Sooooo many gorgeous ideas!!! The ratings are going to be sooo close...
Thanks for everyone who rated in this project! All together there are now 75.571 votes left :) Wow, that's quite a number!
Thank you in advance for your patience until we can announce the community winners. We will keep you updated!
WOOOW - what a BIG number!!! Thanks Dora for this information & good luck guys :)
Woooooah..... hey, sleep is overrated - have fun with the monitoring. :)
You'll need a complete moth for monitoring dear Dora! hehehe... AWESOME PROJECT!!! IS IT THE RECORD OF SUBMISSIONS EVER?!!!! WHAT A LEVEL!!! IMPRESSIVE!!! I really don't know how the client will select just a few with SO MANY OUTSTANDING DESIGNS!!! Victorinox should have to make their biggest knife collection ever, even producing 100 will be taught to select winners!!! hahaha... Jovotans Rocks!!! Love ya!!! Good Luck dear Dora & all participants!!! :)
Can't wait!
Hey Xavier! :) You have asked for numbers: this is the 3rd in the row of "most submissions ever". Two years ago we had 1352 and three years ago 1318 submitted ideas in the Victorinox projects. This year is also amazing with 1252 great designs! Outstanding indeed :)
good job everyone !! may the best 10 win ! :D
Hey just wanted to say that this was a really nice first-time Jovoto experience for me! Thank you all for taking part of it, Thank you OldYellow for the feedback.
Good luck to everyone !
Soooo many gorgeous ideas and high level work! OMG, we are all so excited with the results!
Good luck everyone. Can't wait to see the winners :D
What a GREAT project!! I'm so impressed with the high quality of all designs that were submitted this year, just Wooow! Thanks a lot Ingo from OLDYELLOW for taking us in the right direction throughout this beautiful journey, Thanks Jovoto for giving us this space to design and of course Thanks a lot to Victorinox for making us unleash our creativity with such exciting theme, At least 100 designs deserve to be in the Limited Edition 2017, Good luck to everyone :))
Good luck to everyone! such a beautiful challenge got the best out of many designers - so many beautiful and outstanding designs here, tough choice for Victorinox!
Thanks for the opportunity! Best of luck and success to every artist and designer involved in this project. Awesome material and ideas I got to see all around!
When will meet the winners ??? I dont know the date :/ Greats at all !!!
You can say that again ! :))
Hi there :) The usual rule of thumb for a project is:
The ratings have to be checked, only then can the community winners be final and announced. This takes about more or less a week "normally", depending on the size of the project - but still it's quite hard to say. This one was the 3rd biggest project EVER on jovoto and there are 75.571 votes, so as said before, thanks for your patience in advance ;) We're on it to make this happen as fast as possible.
For the Client's Choice: the clients have 6 months after end of submission period to decide which ideas they would like to go for. So within that period you will always know. Victorinox will be faster than that though, but there is no set date yet. The Brief also explains how it will go further from here:
"A Victorinox jury will then pick a shortlist of ideas that will go into a global voting which will be announced on the Victorinox webpage, their social media channels as well as on jovoto. You and all other Victorinox fans will get the chance to decide which 10 designs will be produced in 2017 and available to purchase around the globe."
As soon as we have any news, we will keep you informed!
I hope this helps :)
Thanks, Dora
Six months? Oh my :)
Victorinox jury will create a shortlist of ideas we can manufacture and a public voting will begin in November.
Good luck to all hundreds of artists! You all deserve a compliment for the awesome work! Cheers! :)
Good luck everyone :)
Dear all, THE TIME HAS COME!
I am very excited to share the news with you that we have the community winners for the 2017 Victorinox project!
You guys have voted and chosen your favorite designs - and the first 22 are now awarded with the Community Award! Give it up to all of them, especially Swiss Knife Queen DIZAINI and Mochamad "mochawalk" Arief for the second place!
You can check out all COMMUNITY winners here. A HUGE CONGRATS goes out to all!
The results are absolutely stunning and we would like to thank everyone who participated and also remind you that it's not over yet! Just as you guys, we are also really looking forward to see what Victorinox thinks and which designs they are taking into the voting to determine the new Limited Edition.
I would like to repeat this step from the Brief again: "A Victorinox jury will then pick a shortlist of ideas that will go into a global voting which will be announced on the Victorinox webpage, their social media channels as well as on jovoto. You and all other Victorinox fans will get the chance to decide which 10 designs will be produced in 2017 and available to purchase around the globe."
Until then, we have even more winners: - the Special Prize for Best Collaboration is awarded to Tiny Tim :) by Corina and LauriS Great team work! - the Best Feedback award goes to AndraG for her constructive comments! Thank you!
Our Special "Social Award" is coming up for the next phase of the project, so there's still a lot to look forward too - we will keep you updated about everything you need to know, so watch this space for further announcements :)
Until then, Yours, - Dora
Congrats to all the winners!!!
Congrats to all winners and to everyone who participated in this contest!
Congratulations to all the winners!!!
Congratulations to the winners !! Have a funny party now !! :-))))
Congrats to all winners :) There are some of my favorite designs ;))
Congratulations to winners !!! Amazing designs:)
Huge congratulations to all winners! Some of my favorite are there:)
Congrats to all!
Congrats to all winners! :)
Congratulations to all community winner! Looking forward to the voting phase! And can't wait for next year's theme!
wont matter the theme... i'll just do COLORS... LOTS of colors... and CATS :P
Congrats to all! :)
Big congrats to all the winners and participants in the competition! :) This was another great edition of Victorinox! :)
HUGE congrats to all participants and also congrats to the community winners, such a great contest full of outstanding works, good luck Jovotans, God bless you all :))
BIG CONGRATULATIONS to all community winners and participants and fingers crossed for the client's choice! It's been a great and highly competitive contest!!:)
Congrats to all the great community winners & good luck to all designers for the CC!!
Hi Jovoto! I feel i can't really enjoy my prize there this moment :( argument: My other project "Arctic 2100" https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox2017/ideas/55981 was much more popular compared to my winner work if i count all "top votes" nonetheless it is much lower in final ranking. It makes me feel your monitoring has some huge problems. I think your way to show comments publicly is one of the biggest problem there. In my case i wonder 185 ratings to my Arctic project??
Anyway I wish best luck to all designers for the CC!!
Hey J P, maybe more people gave you something around 8 points for Arctic 2100 in ratio to the top votes? So if you have like 50 top votes (just a guess) and many 8 point votes, it ends up around this result...
Greetings
Hi Anton, I sent pm
Hi JP, How do you see your "top votes" and that it is more popular? Isn't it a system mixed with total high and low ratings, so it's an average of those?
Hi sharontan, I sent pm ;)
I dont think the rating system is the best, and the people voting... i dont think all of them understand what they should vote based on project desc. and other factors. For ex: my design got to top100, in 2days after upload with an avg. of 9.2 (something), after that it went into a loop. 2-3days in top100, spent 1day there, rating get big hit, losing like 0.5-0.7 rating, out of top, 2-3days again in top100, after 1 day and again a big drop in rating, out of top and so on for about 3weeks. And i think it's the "people factor"... to be honest, a few of the "top designs" shouldn't even be in the contest.... they look interesting, but not on a 14mm width!!!!! where was this factor taking into consideration at voting?!?!
hi maxim, you did mention the actual width of the knife, only 14, mm and you do wonder about designs that might not work in this tiny size.
well, the brief states that only designs that work in the actual size of the knife will be eligible to win a client's choice. the client will check that when chosing the shortlist for the final voting.
but nonetheless ideas that won't work on the knife or can't be produced can be voted for by the community and win a community prize. we should take the brief and specs e.g. into consideration while designing or voting, the guides often remind all of us to do so ...
actually i tried, but since there were no printing specs attached to the brief it's really hard to figure out if a design really can be produced in the end. no easy task. and i also had the feeling that there are a lot of ideas that use small details or fine structures that might be un-printable.
but it's up to each jovotian if he takes all that into consideration while voting or not. if he or her reads the brief first or not .-)
at the end of the day it's the crowd's decision to chose what they like best ...
regards pinstripe
PS. all that seems to be part of the "game" of crowdstorming, if we like it or not ...
Congrats to the winners, well deserved! Awesome uploads, so many great illustrations. Looking forward to see what the client will choose :). Good luck to everyone!
Hi there J P, Anton and sharontan,
well, if I got it right the final ranks are not only based on the average of all votes given to an idea, but there is a "smart algorithm" involved, that also takes into account when the idea was posted and how many votes it got in total. And the average of the ratings given to all the other ideas, e.g. At least that was the explanation given to me by a guide when I myself asked some questions because I wanted to understand how rating (and monitoring) works.
I suppose Dora (or OldYellow) will help and provide further explanation if I'm mistaken or if the procedure was changed.
All the math and monitoring involved is supposed to help to make the voting fair(er). For example to avoid bashing e.g. Or because an idea that is submitted early has got several weeks to collect votes whereas an idea that is posted later might have only got about a week left.
But actually, at least for me, all the math and problems involved into the voting makes it sometimes a bit difficult to understand why ideas got the ranks they have.
And I personally would feel more comfortable with a voting system that's simpler and easier to understand.
Regards Pinstripe
Dear Pinstripe, thanks a lot for your explanation!
For anyone who would like to learn more about the rating system I would advise to read the following post: https://www.jovoto.com/blog/platform_news/the-jovoto-rating-system-explained/
If you have any more comments and suggestions on this in general, please use our community support.
The space under the Brief should be only for project related discussions and updates ;)
Thanks a lot! - Dora
It's really great to see all your congratulations for the winners! Well done and very well deserved! :) Thanks jovoto community - you guys are the best!
Since the project is not over yet and my comment about the next steps in this process is not so visible anymore, I would like to repeat it here once again:
We are all very excited to hear from the Victorinox jury, who will soon pick a shortlist of ideas that will go into a global voting. You and all other Victorinox fans will get the chance to decide which 10 designs will be produced in 2017 and available to purchase around the globe.
Keep your eyes open and watch this space for any further information :) As soon as we have more info about the next steps we will let you know!
Can't wait to see which designs will make it to the shortlist and the new LIMITED EDITION ! ! !
Yours, Dora
ps. If you have any questions, feel free to comment or contact me via private message. Thank you!
Congratulations to the community-winners! ......Undoubtedly, there are more than 10 excellent designs. I keep my fingers crossed for all of you :)..
Congrats to the all community winners :) waiting for client choice...!!!
Congrats to winners and to us all. It was my first participation and it was great experience. Thank you for supportive, constructive comments and friendly atmosphere and for sharing your very special ideas and wonderful design.
That's great to hear dear Medina, a big welcome to the jovoto community!
Congratulations to all the winners!!
Congratulations :>
Hi Dora, I don't have much jovoto experience and this was my first time in this project (wich I enjoyed very much). I had a question. Am I wrong, or the Clients Choice happens to be another public voting just with a shorter list of ideas? Thanks again for this great platform and congratulations to all winners!
Ho there Andrea! First of all a warm welcome to jovoto :)
You are right. Victorinox is in the process of making a shortlist of ideas they like the most (must be so hard!). Based on the last years if I remember right, there were about 30 ideas in the shortlist.
Those ideas will go into a public voting, happening not here on the jovoto platform, but on their own channel.
So let's wait and see - as I mentioned before: as soon as we have any news, we will let you know!
Best, - Dora
u u uuu can`t wait :D
Dear All, I wanted to give you a short heads-up. YES! EXCITING!
The shortlist is about to be picked these days, there should be around 30/35 designs in the end.
The voting should begin next week. We will post the link and all info you need as soon as we can.
Stay tuned :)
Exciting!
wow super excited!!
Hi Dora, Does the "shortlist" included the winners already selected, or are they a new selection of designs from the remaining total? Thanks!
Hi there, It's a different selection!
The winners you saw already are the communities choice - here we're talking about Victorinox's choice ;)
Thanks
Ok, Thanks for your quick reply. Have a great day!
Wow, good luck to everyone.
Nice!! Good luck to all of you!
One can vote already on the Victorinox website. Congrats and good luck to the 35 selectees!
Hey Lynn, can you please give me the link? Thanks
http://news.victorinox.com/de/design-wettbewerb-classic-limited-edition-2017/
Thank you so much Lynn!! Congratulations and good luck to everyone
thanks for sharing, lynn. but it's a pitty that there has been no "official" notification on jovoto and for the all the creatives who did contribute.
Yeah, but to be fair: Dora from Jovoto said last week that public voting will start beginning of next week. That's why I checked it out today... ;p I'm sure the notification is in preparazion and will follow soon.
hi lynn,
actually i didn't critizise dora (actually i do not know when/if victorinox did inform her in advance.
but i don't think that i'm unfair when i'm of the opinion hat it would have been polite (and fair) to inform crowd (and the finalists) in advance by telling them an exact date.
for me that would be a sign of respect for all those creatives who did invest a lot of work in this contest.
sorry, should read "to inform the crowd"
Hi Pinstripe! I understand what you mean. You are right. :)
.-)
Hey everyone,
A notification was on it's way, you were just quicker than us! Thanks for posting :)
And now a big congratulations and good luck to all the designs in the CLASSIC LIMITED EDITION DESIGN CONTEST 2017 - online now!
All the best, Jess
wow ! what a pleasant surprise ! I did not expect this at all ! Congrats to everyone
Congratulations
Thank youu !!
Hi Jess, thanks .-)
Congrats Cristina!!
almost :))
Again ... no luck for me this time. But, will try my luck again next edition! Congratulation & good luck to all who made it to the voting stage!
Wow congrats to all! I'm so excited to be part of this! :D
Congratulations to the chosen few!
I'm so excited to be part of this!!.... Congrats to all!
Absolutely unfair: The following artwork was STOLEN: https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox2017/ideas/54748
https://society6.com/product/i-have-a-dream-myb_stretched-canvas#s6-198911p16a6v28 http://normanduenas.com/
This artwork belongs to Norman Duenas, Why you put it into the global voting without verifying the copyrights?
Congratulations and good luck to all the designs in the final round.
Massiel
Hi Massiel, thank you for keeping your eyes open. It is crucial for the community that many pay attention. Its often not easy to judge whether you would call it inspiration or copy. Copies are 1:1 or very close replicates.
The idea to take the shape of an owl und present sth within the shape is probably older than jovoto. This one is a tough case to judge. The idea carries several other, own aspects. The owl as well as the object within the change aren't identical.
Please be careful to judge, its maybe a fairer way to speak of "hey someone clearly got inspired". And also even better to reach out to the creative directly before you post publicly.
Massiel, Norman knows and is taking legal steps. He got this.
Good work Massiel!
Dear All,
We have been in contact with Victorinox and Norman Duenas, and the design has been removed from the Victorinox vote and will be removed from jovoto. We are in contact with all parties.
We are taking this as a learning, and we will be discussing the topic at length and sharing the thoughts with you for future reference on the platform.
Best Regards Jess and the community team
Thanks for your statement! Do you think, Victorinox will give another creative submission the chance to take part of the voting??? Because the voting process is on the beginning and its much time to vote... ? :D One design removed and one place is free for a new one... :)
cough Since this is not the only entry against Jovoto rules as well as international copyright laws, who knows.
I am curious to see the forum discussion on this topic - because Jovoto surely cannot claim it did not know. I have reported many of these entries weeks ago (including both owls), some only after the voting became public, and they are all happy and healthy in the voting.
ok... Thats really not good... but this is a public project... I think the clients which are willing to start an open project have also to know, that this could happen. If a client want to be sure to only get selfmade designs, maybe he has to make private projects or better give the designers an official order with a fair and fixed payment. ;)
Hi DENKdifferent, actually quite recently there was a copyright issue regarding a community prize winnner in a private project, too.
btw: and there also has be a comment during the contest stating that the artwork in question has a close resemblance to the work of a famous designer-
Hi Pinstripe, can you PM me regarding the case you mentioned. As I would like to take a closer look. Thank you. Bastian
Hi Bastian, will do.
How about the ZEBRA: https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox2017/ideas/55492 which is obviously a clipart changed a bit here and there: https://dragonartz.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/zebra-art-vector/ Not mentioning this idea has been already on Victorinox previous year contest: https://www.facebook.com/Victorinox/photos/a.10151312389102510.495163.25750362509/10151312390437510/?type=3&theater
My opinion, this zebra is copied from this webside https://dragonartz.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/zebra-art-vector/!!! Only improved gently belts! Good work vlad_ooo!
Oh, Jovoto already knows. Just like the dragon fly is stock, and the tiger is traced from a photo, and the other owl is vintage stock. Did I forget something else? I reported all of them, just like I reported the Owl that started this discussion.
They only started to care when I contacted the copyright holder, who then got involved.
Yay for respecting artist rights.
oooooh maaaaaan.... I think you are right! ... ... ... Nothing to say...
I only want to say, that sometimes it is hard to do something completely new - for example the zebra - because a ZEBRA will look like a ZEBRA. Black and white lines. If it will not look so, it is not a Zebra. Understand? ;)
WOW, CrossTheLime would you please give a link and show me how is the Dragonfly a stock?? I did created the pattern myself by choosing every single color and spot in it! I do have the Psd file that has every elemen in it so it won't be hard to prove you wrong...
well DENKdiffrent. actuall i do understand what you mean. and i don't quite agree. the brief asked us to do as follows:
"Be inspired by the visual culture of your origin and by international design trends to create your unique, unseen and exciting design style". the halftime brief did demand " a personal touch"
is a zebra design that looks like a design done several times before an unseen design with a "personal touch"
PS: And the brief said: "Choose an animal you love and that is typical of your country, your region or your culture". Did anybody care about that one?? Only few entrants did.
Yes I care about that! I choosed pigs :) I like pigs - and I like the pink color. And pigs are living in my country. ;) AND they look different and have a personal touch. AND they are no stock images. So I think I fullfilled the brief. At least it is a question of taste... I mean the design, of course ;)
Zebra - there is a difference between changing only small details on a stock image and actually drawing this from scratch - hundreds of artists have been able to, people are just taking shortcuts.
This is the dragon fly wing from the back side: http://all-free-download.com/free-photos/download/dragonfly-wings_207742.html
Again derivative/ painted over, because believe it or not, not every wing has the exact same pattern. Is it hard to do this originally? Yes. But it is obviously possible. Other artists have succeeded.
This is the traced and mirrored tiger. http://gila.be/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/jovoto_tiger.gif
@DENKdiffernent: I didn't say that YOU didn't care about the brief .-) BTW: I do like your work and way of thinking. And I do like pigs and pink.
I think you need a better reason to call my entire work a clipart ...and no, this is not the picture I used.
Hi Janin, by now I don't quite understand your reasoning – did you use a 3rd party picture or not? The brief did clearly say " 3. Please ensure that you have noted any and all third party material you used - including the source where it can be found."
In the submission form you wrote that you didn't use 3rd party material.
And the halftime feedback clearly stated: "Do you own all copyrights? No stock material is accepted for this Crowdstorm - Victorinox want to see your original designs!"
If I get this right we weren't allowed to use any stock material at all, not even for collages or composings.
The beauty of the internet is that copies and derivatives multiply across sites. So while these may not have been the wings used, they definitely are related to whatever source you did use, otherwise the exact same layout and pattern could not have happened "by chance."
Anyway. Whatever. I am done being hated on.
I never wanted this mud slinging. I tried quietly, behind the scenes. That failed.
@ janin: Or what do you think how this sentence is to be understood: "Have you used any third-party material? Even if you’ve modified or combined it, please know that in this project no stock material is accepted" ?? It's part of the entry form you filed in.
Using a zebra style is certainly not a copyright issue. lets focus on cases that allow to judge between clear copy and inspiration ...
he bastian, this last comments rather refered to the wings of the dragonfly used. obviously cross the lime is able to provide proof that these wings are identical to 3rd party material found in the internet.
I still think that there is a great difference between the zebra and the owl where the entire design is based on a stolen work and the dragonfly wing which can be replaced with any other one and it won't change the outlook :) Just saying ;)
vlad_ooo:
well, no, basically it's no big difference.
the brief said: "Even if you’ve modified or combined it, please know that in this project no stock material is accepted."
That would be the case for the zebra design, that obviously is the based on the picture you found. I know, all this is hard to understand and sometimes it just sounds picky. Boring and annoying. And some said, well, zebra stripes are zebra stripes.
But even if the design was slightly altered, the use of 3rd party materials can lead to copyright issues. And problems. For examples there have been cases where a big stock agency, that hires very good laywers, did sue and charge fees for an illustration that was based on a photograph found somewhere in the web. They just were able to proof that this photograph was identical with material provided on their website.
And if something like this happens with the design of a knife that is meant to be sold worldwide, licensing can get really expensive. Being sued for not having properly licensed images is even more expensive. So it's a risk to just pick 3rd party material by using google eg.
And that will be the case if the whole design is based on 3rd party materials or not.
I think that's the reason why the brief also states: "Since your design should be ready to be produced and sold globally, please do not use any part or element of stock illustrations or stock images." NO part or element.
That sounds picky, but according to copyrights and the rules for licencing images it definitely makes sense.
Because the case of a collage design like the dragonfly the client just needs to be sure that the designer does own the rights for every part/element of the design.
if all elements of such an collage are 3rd party material, the client is forced to license every picture that was used (even if only a small element, like a dot, structure or splash was used).
So if in the case of the dragonfly, I just don't know if the dragonfly on the front also is clipart/stock/3rd party material, or the splashes and dots. But the client might be forced to license several images if they want to produce that design.
PS. At the moment I'm really shocked that there is so little awareness about copyrights, licensing e.g. To use 3rd party material in a contest where the brief clearly statest that you shouldn't is NOT ONLY unfair. It might cause serious trouble for the creative who uses this material without caring for copyrights and licensing. It might also cause serious trouble for the client, both legally and financially.
PPS: And probably the plattform might also be held responsible, as providing a place where all this happens, and obviously more than once. I'm no lawyer, though ...
Ok, I'm sorry to be in a situation that my entire work has been doubted. The wing I used on the back of the knife was given to me by a friend of mine who is a photographer and told me that owns the copyrights for it, so no legal issues there. In fact I haven't found anywhere on Internet the exact picture he sent me. Still since wings with the same pattern are found at a stock photo websites I replaced it with a dragonfly wing I took a picture myself and believe me or not, you can never tell the difference from a first sight! So if my design get chosen by any chance I can go either way. Best of luck to everyone!
@ Janin, well (or rather not well):
Your friend is a 3rd party. And HE owns the copyrights for that wing he gave you. Only he could transfer this rights to the client. And till now you declared that you didn't use any third party material at all.
That is the reason why your work is doubted by now.
To be one the safe side, you should have taken your own photographs from the start. Nor afterwards.
@ Janin :D
ok, guys I really want you to take a look at the first comment on this submission and the respond to it: https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox2017/ideas/55827
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@janin Pinstripe is right. "To be one the safe side, you should have taken your own photographs from the start. Nor afterwards." "// Please confirm that you have NOT used any stock material and own the rights to all of the artwork displayed in your submission! Is there anything else that speaks against depicting your idea in the Victorinox Global Voting?" Did you confirm this?
J P got a fair point here. A very important one:
Each time a jovotian does enter a contest he/she is required to fill in a submission form, and to accept terms and conditions e.g.
In my understanding doing this creates a kind of contract, similiar to an old fashioned contract printed on paper and signed using ink.
And thus a jovotioan can be held (legally) responsible if he/she breaks this contract , its terms and conditions.
To provide data in 300dpi, for example. To provide only artworks the jovotian does OWN all rights for.
And to break a contract isn't only about copyrights e.g. There might be several other laws included.
Project Terms and Conditions:
"5.4 The creative will indemnify jovoto from any claims that third parties may assert against jovoto for infringement of their rights as a result of the ideas submitted by the creative. jovoto will inform the creative of any such assertion in writing immediately. The creative will make every effort to support jovoto in preparing a suitable defense. The creative will assume all costs incurred by jovoto in this connection, including reasonable costs for a legal defense. The creative is entitled to prove that the actual costs incurred by jovoto were lower than those claimed."
One more thing. Why to publish the community voting results before client choice?It was obvious monitoring did not recognize gaming.
The real problem is not who make a unfair design, but is the opportunity stolen from someone who has lost time and money, deserving to occupy that place. Jovoto should take a position, not only censoring those who did wrong, but giving a chance to those who deserve
Unfortunately, it is too late
Why are such entries not sorted out before voting and client choice? CrossTheLime wrote about it 3 month ago. Not motivating to put creative work in here...
Please see my comment below ;)
By now we've got a pretty nasty situation. Unfortunaly not only for those who did play fair and didn't win ... also for those who did play fair and did win ... because by now there is so much doubt and because there are so many questions.
Actually I do suppose that by now almost everybody who did contribute to this contest is wondering, disappointed and frustrated. To be honest: I am.
And I do agree to Tommaso, Fabian and a lot of the things said above: For me it's getting harder and harder to see reasons to be motivated to take part in any new projects here on jovoto. To try to develop an idea that is on brief, from scratch, that has a "unique, unseen and exciting design style" and a "personal touch" is hard work and does take a lot of time. Everybody who takes part in contests will be aware that losing is "part of the game". But I do think that I'm not the only one who thinks that is easier to accept losing and be a "fair loser", a "good sport" if one has the impression that the contest was fair, according to the brief and rules ...
Check below ;)
I tried to not air any of this publicly. I reported scores of entries to the guide, who... did nothing. I offered to look through the Top 30, because I do a LOT of these copyright checks. I reported more entries after the voting started.
And basically, I was told (in the case of Norman's owl and the tiger) "yeah, we told Victorinox, and we are all fine with it."
Only then did I contact Norman and other artists that their work was stolen. And funny that now oops, it is a problem. It was a problem before, they just hoped no one would notice.
And for full disclosure - I was accused of copying. In none of the cases, I see the point - the worst you can accuse me of is not being the first to do a bear, sea gull, or cat ying yang...
For reference: http://gila.be/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Unbenannt-4.png
YES, I DID!
Yes you did what? I don't think you were among those that accused me of anything, unless you have a double account? I am still happy to discuss these accusations, as I did from the start.
Which one do you want to talk about?
Oh, let me guess, you really DID create a second account to bash? https://www.jovoto.com/community/Bailey
It's really sad how ugly things can get when it comes to money and fame. I think CrossTheLime should be more confident in defeating the competition by skills than starting this whole anti-winners campaign
I truly do not give a damn about winning. I care a LOT about artist rights. Then again, this is coming from someone who only entered stolen artwork, so yeah... I am crushed by your criticism.
@abacadabra: "It's really sad how ugly things can get when it comes to money and fame."
well, that might be one of the core problems in here. jovotians are supposed to be a nice crowd that's happily "crowdstorming" together. that's the vision.
but at the end of the day/each project (=contest) there are a few that are chosen to be winners, to get some money and "fame".
a jovotian is meant to be a happy crowd member, sharing and helping, having fun e.g. but at the same time he or she is part of a very competitive contest.
rather contradictory.
Yes, I agree with you 100% I just tried to say that in my opinion things got a little intense and personal
hi abracadra, yes, you're right ... it's a lot of frustration and disappointment involved ...
I have the feeling that here great friendships arise!
Dear Fabian, Pinstripe & everyone,
We did get in touch with the client about CrossTheLime's reported designs (thank you CrossTheLime for your impressive investigative work!!) and it was the client's choice to keep them in, because there is a fine line between 1 to 1 use and inspiration of artistic material.
Which brings me to the point that, although we ask in every project several times throughout the process if it's your original work, it is the creative's legal responsibility to use and state the material to which they have the rights to. So our advice to you is to not take that chance and to always do original work and/or mention the copyright pieces that you've used.
That being said, we want to do the best we can to create a safe place for you on jovoto to create original work, and we are embarking on processes to react quicker and better to copyright issues. And your support is helping us to do it in the fastest and smartest way. So, please, in any project on jovoto, if you see copied work, report it to us asap.
At the moment, when uploading your work, we ask you if your work is 100% originally yours. But if work is inspired (even traced) from another image (which technically is not 1 to 1 copy), what do you think would be a more accurate statement when uploading an idea, to ensure original work from each creative and that all inspiration is stated?
Looking forward to your answers, Diana
Hey Diana..I think you could add a menu to specify what kind of technique is uses (collage, hand made drawing or computer illustrations). Also you could request some screenshots for the developement process (that will improve the quality of the submission for the client too).
Some light punishments for copyrighting in this type of contests (like the ones for bashing ) will reduce the frequency of this events.
I'm not against creativity but this kind of events hurt the reputation of the platform...
Hi there Diana,
perhaps a kind of tutorial about copyrights, stock material und the rules of use could be a start. At least for those community members that are inexperienced and really don't know about these things. Who think it's ok to pick pictures where ever you can find them without any second thought. Wo don't know what stock material is, and how to correctly use it. What "tracing" is.
Who aren't even aware that use of stockmaterial or other 3. party material might lead to serious legal trouble for themselve or the client, if it isn't licensed and paid for
It won't interest those who just don't care, though.
Regards Pinstrope
Hi Diana,
thanks for your feedback! You're right, you ask if the work is 100% original so it is in the responsibility of the member – for me that is enough. But what happens when someone is obviously not telling the truth at this point? There must be consequences in my opinion. Even if copyright laws are not affected because the age of the work these works are off-brief as they are not original. Perhaps a detailed explanation how thick the thin line is would be helpful at this point ;) I wonder that Victorinox is ok with that as licensing these works could end up really unlovely...
All the best,
Fabian
@ fabian: you're right.
by now one could even say it like this " But what happens when A LOT OF PEOPLE obviously are not telling the truth at this point?"
Hi there Diana,
thanks for your feedback. Gosh, these are very thin lines we're treading here.
Actually I just read a brief where the entrants simply get a entry form where they just fill in or copy and paste to show the material they did use/get inspired by.
In regards to "traced" images I've got one more question. If I remember it correctly, at art school we were told that if we use an image to alter it or trace over, it e.g. this still will infringe copyrights of the "urheber" (owner) as long as original image is clearly recognizable as the origin of this "make over". And that the "urheber" could sue us for the use of this material. Well, this refered to Germany and maybe the copyright laws were altered since.
Would be good to know, anyhow.
Regards Pinstripe
Bonne Chance à ceux qui on vraiment imaginés et créés leur propre design pour cette compétition et très dommage que ce genre de choses se produisent... bref...
Just wanted to add a comment here, that I think out of respect for the community members, if you discover a copyright infringement, why not send a private message with your findings? In the defense of Jovoto, it is almost impossible to discover all the possible copyright infringements in illustration work, because you can also infringe by stealing someone's style, not just their direct work. Unfortunately there are people who cheat, whether intentionally, unconsciously or because they have gotten away in their school practices with tracing images from the internet and have developed bad habits in their creative work, but I think out of respect for even those who may be infringing, keep it to a private message so as not to incite the anger of the community. There are a lot of people who are not happy with the outcomes of contests, but the community only has as much integrity as what the members bring to it. If you actually aren't even sure what constitutes copyright infringement, this is a pretty good overview, although I suppose it varies from country to country: http://www.aiga.org/copyright-basics-for-graphic-designers/
As creatives in this golden age of technology, I think we are all guilty of spending too much time on the internet seeing what's out there rather than working on developing our own unique styles. It's great to find inspiration and see what's trending, but clients are here because they want to tap into our inner creativity. We all have styles, artists and designers we admire and look up to, but we each have to forge our own paths as graphic designers and creatives, and it's hard to do that when we have the internet as a reference to rely on. Close your browser, get out a piece of paper and start with your imagination, and trust that you probably have better ideas than what you find on Google!
@ madE1086, i agree to a lot of what you said. also about the concept of integrity of a communies members and about respect.
that sentence is interesting: " In the defense of Jovoto, it is almost impossible to discover all the possible copyright infringements in illustration work, because you can also infringe by stealing someone's style, not just their direct work ...".
well, agreed it really would be a pretty tough task to check 1200 + entries. but would really be impossible for jovoto to at least TRY to check the work of the winners?
for example of the community winners during the monitoring or the probable client's choices? Perhaps plus some runners up for the case that there are ideas that fail these check?
that's just an idea as an answer to diana's question how jovoto could create a "save space". and that would spare the clients some nasty surprises, too .-)
sorry, a typo, "safe space" nor "save space"
Yes you are definitely right, there should be an effort to check the work indeed! I guess I just mean that it's impossible to catch everything, because there are multiple ways to infringe besides direct copying, and that it's good for the community to also keep each other in check if they see something. But I think it can be done in a way that is private so as not to embarrass or shame others.
well, i'd also prefer not to have to read discussions that get pretty nasty and personal :-)
Cool discussion madE1086 and Pinstripe. Thank you, Pinstripe for the suggestion. Any other suggestions, please? :)
Dear Diana, you asked about improving the statement … the question which is asked when we enter a proposal is: "Have you used any third-party material? Even if you’ve modified or combined it, please know that in this project no stock material is accepted." ... to my mind, this makes the line between "1 to 1“-copy and "inspiration" quite clear. It's one thing to be inspired by an artwork and create something alike, but another one to really take identical parts and not mentioning it - 1:1 silhouette shapes from other artworks, complete stock illustrations o.e.) … that - to my mind - is „third party material“. So concerning everything „crossthelime“ and others wrote yesterday, I have the impression that the problem has two aspects: the first one is people using other peoples work without telling about it, but the second one, which surprised me a little: Jovoto and the client excepted these entries although they got informed about stock-material used (and we see examples here, where I wouldn’t talk about a „thin line“ of inspiration or copying … and it is clearly said „no stockmaterial“...). Apparently Jovoto got informed „behind the scenes“ as well as in the comments, where Massiel f.ex. remarked that owl before submission was closed (so he did contact the designer first, as recommended in the discussion above - but it did not help) The question for me is: what does Jovoto want…?: leave the decision to the client, when the client doesn't mind, that there is 1:1-third-party-material within an artwork - even if he is told. Or be strict with the contests rules and contact the designer who entered the proposal and encourage him to change it (in this open process here they would have had that chance - must be a very bad situation for them now as well …). As we can see here, it turns out awkward, if this part of „insisting on the rules" is left to community members (... a little strange, that judging and observing each other anyhow …) … best, Karen
@ karen: you're right.
and i would like to add that the examples set by entries that are accepted/chosen/winning although clearly breaking rules or copyright laws just lead to other community members nor caring about this rules/laws.
an attitude that might be described as "why should i give a damn if nobody else in here does?"
ps: and the brief does also mention stock material and even specifies that not even parts or element of stock material should be used: "Since your design should be ready to be produced and sold globally, please do not use any part or element of stock illustrations or stock images."
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox2017/ideas/55827 stolen from https://www.google.com.ua/search?tbs=simg:CAESiwIJKZHcPRUAu3Ma_1wELEKjU2AQaAggLDAsQsIynCBpiCmAIAxIo1xbNCaUWoxafFukLohbYFtsDpAvcN8Mg1CGbII4ikiLgN7MyjyLCKRowedkeo-N2rLEFH_1m9_1w857s42AAeME7aLqlmS-PXig4ufATtDF7RtwaLXGsk6j6pQIAQMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgRXs5QsDAsQne3BCRptChYKBGxlYWbapYj2AwoKCC9tLzA5dDQ5ChcKBXBsYW502qWI9gMKCggvbS8wNXMycwoZCgdwYXR0ZXJu2qWI9gMKCggvbS8waHdreQofCgxpbGx1c3RyYXRpb27apYj2AwsKCS9tLzAxa3I4Zgw&q=botanical+illustration+fruit&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7oLf4mJzQAhXGiSwKHfHQAq0Qsw4IIQ&biw=1280&bih=869#imgrc=Y1NtRCceeDRQPM%3A
https://www.google.com.ua/search?q=vintage+owl+illustration&tbm=isch&imgil=2tmLckBBYaxxRM%253A%253BPWqrz3U8paFHOM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.pinterest.com%25252Fpin%25252F99642210479296755%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&tbs=simg:CAESogIJLTpsJUfzUasalgILEKjU2AQaBAgCCAUMCxCwjKcIGmIKYAgDEii9FssLsBbAD7wWuxaxFu8DzAvGFsEkrS2sLfQpsTjyKZo4riLzKfUpGjCtV1nN0ZEcuYUuHG-DGXY2KOenbr-wx-USMqMavJ_1oWCOcs7uNDPacmx2fx_1lekHkgBAwLEI6u_1ggaCgoICAESBJ1oLvIMCxCd7cEJGoEBChUKA293bNqliPYDCgoIL20vMDlkNV8KFgoEYmlyZNqliPYDCgoIL20vMDE1cDYKFwoEYmVha9qliPYDCwoJL20vMDFjNHJkChcKBmFuaW1hbNqliPYDCQoHL20vMGpiawoeCgxiaXJkIG9mIHByZXnapYj2AwoKCC9tLzBmNng4DA&fir=2tmLckBBYaxxRM%253A%252CPWqrz3U8paFHOM%252C_&usg=__NhzRemdShxDGryVF0TZwfUEIZTQ%3D#imgrc=2tmLckBBYaxxRM%3A
ahah :D
Hello Polygon, I see where you are coming from. It really is a shame to imply statements when you have no evidence. I understand why you would say a thing like that, the thing is I did the illustration myself for the owl and the plants with hand and paper, and I have all the evidence and the PSD files. For the plants illustration I am aware of the vintage elements seen above, because I did a research for my illustration to get a reference. And all that images were used merely for reference and inspiration. I appreciate the research all the community is doing to protect the artists copyright, and I'm on your side. But it would be a smarter move to contact the author directly to confirm the facts before releasing statements that degrade the author's work without complete knowledge of the situation.
http://c2n.me/3EdKTyJ you old man))
the author http://www.kew.org/discover/blogs/library-art-and-archives/art-walter-hood-fitch
@gonzalo:
hi there, if i get it right you want say that you just were "inspired" to do some illustrations that look exactly the same as the pictures you found while reaserching and then make a collage out of your "new" pictures ??? sorry to say so, but some people might call that copying.
but perhaps i just don't understand your approach.
wow :O
Wait, the defense is that you drew over existing images, to make it look exactly like those images, and that makes it original?
That ones is difficult, as it is clearly against Jovoto and project rules, but not against copyright laws. Makes a mockery of anyone actually sticking to any rules, but hey - oh, and I checked... that one, I reported on October 3rd, and Jovoto was going to "look into it".
http://ctgpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kumquat-tree-fruit-botanical-illustration-circa-1874.jpg https://freevintageillustrations.com/2015/08/31/vintage-public-domain-illustrations-of-owls/#jp-carousel-584
If I just add a little footnote to this discussion; While it's kind of a gray area to use existing images and make a collage - They're still no one who holds the copyright for those images. Walter Hood Fitch died in 1892, which is more than 100 years ago, ergo: His work is under public domain.
hi there, maybe, but the use is still off brief and some terms and conditions of the contest. for example the entry form did ask everybody to declare if they did use 3rd party material. and where it could be found.
and even if work is under public domain it's quite usual to give credit to the author, dead or not .-)
Well, does anybody in here know more about public domain? I'd suppose that even if we are allowed to use such materials, we wouldn't exactly "own" the rights for this material. And I'm also not sure whether all work of an artist/designer eg. who did more than 100 years before will be public domain. (Sometimes there are heirs who secure the rights.) And is art/artwork that belongs to a museum/collection/library eg. public domain?
sorry, "died more than 100 years before"
The issue "public domain" is really interesting. And there are severel sources in the web where one can read about the laws and rules for public domain.
Unfortunately these seam to be different in different countries, the US handles public domain differently to Europe, Germany, France e.g.
And there have been several cases where copyright holders did refresh/renew their copyrights before these did expire.
To assume that the work of an artist wo died about 100 years ago might be public domain material is a pretty good rule of thumb. But still on might have to check if one is really allowed to use "old" artworks.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain for example: "As rights are country-based and vary, a work may be subject to rights in one country and be in the public domain in another. Some rights depend on registrations on a country-by-country basis, and the absence of registration in a particular country, if required, creates public domain status for a work in that country."
And there is one more thing: The concept of public domain material is that the PUBLIC does OWN these materials. Any one may use public domain material, but nobody can OWN it.
For this competition we had to confirm that we do OWN any and all rights for all the artworks we submitted.
Cross the lime was absolutely right when she wrote that even if these "vintage" illustration might not cause copyright issues it still is against the the terms and conditions of this contest to use them.
for example read: http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/
@Gonzalo: WTF?!?!? "the thing is I did the illustration myself for the owl and the plants with hand and paper" you forgot to mention that the paper was siting on a screen with that picture opened!!! i dont think its a coincidence that every little dot is the same....
BTW: And I would rather not trust every website that does advertises "free illustrations". They often aren't copyright free but put into the web by somebody who doesn't know much about copyright...
I now feel bad for the 2 weeks I've spend developing an unique concept, handcrafting original illustrations for any single element of my design (and there are a lot of them, check my submission) and tracing them in the computer just to fond out that is ok to take a design of an great artists (eventually dead so it can't claim any copyright), then change it so it don't match the original artwork '100%' . That' s not even art ... Anyone with something basic knowledge in photoshop can do that in less than 5 minutes. I mention again, I've worked 2 weeks on mine even if I have school and a lot of studies to do and I've got only the 390 place.
Now that the contest is over I invite you to check my ideea. I want at least to have the feeling that some people could enjoy my art in return for all my hard work :(
Of course people respected and liked your idea. 390 place out of 1293 is not too bad, that's like in the top third of all entries. Also EVERYBODY has other things like school and jobs and life going on, and they also put in the a lot of hard work on their designs. You can feel good that you had the integrity to do it right. So keep it up!
The point is that as a beginer artist I struggle more to create original art. Is very dissapointing to see that some of the more experienced users here manage to exploit some gaps in the jovoto system in order to earn prizes more easily than the newcomers. Until now this issue with the copyright and the vote trading based on the popularity on the platform are the biggest problems of this site, and the factor is that the developers can't do anything about this issues in the given situation.
I'm a begginer artist too and I've worked lot of time in my design and I feel the same, because is pathetic that a a person in 5 minutes can create a design using work of other and a little photoshop. Also, I love your design, is very original, colorfully and funny. I want to participe the next year in this project and I expect that your design and mine will be better valued. Good luck :)
Hi JOVOTO, I voted for some of the designs deleted by you, for not being original, can I vote again? By the options that if they are original. Thanks, how do I do it?
I have the same feeling then Andrei Costa,yes my Artwork doesnt look that professional then the most others but all is done by myself and its somethong completly different. Its just sad, that a competition ends in such a disscussion...
This debate is not a sad ending. It is both important and helpful to talk about, and also very important.
I meant to say...It is both important and helpful to talk about, and also very necessary. That sounds much better!
Hi there, I wanted to handle it descreetly and mainly behind the scene.
But you might be interested to know that I just informed the guide about another victorinox entry picked for the final voting that obviously used stock material without providing any information about this. (Perhaps it's even two, but the second one isn't that obvious and i left it to jovoto to check futher or not).
Well, if this project proved anything, "quietly and behind the scenes" does not work well with Jovoto. Neither does any public discussion during the project, because any comment that does not say "wow beautiful" will result in bashing. And we aren't being paid to spend time policing the site...
I am basically stumped what does help. Honestly? Wait for whichever entry wins, then get the copyright holder involved, let him start a shirt storm and take legal steps, and make this expensive and embarrassing.
"And we aren't being paid to spend time policing the site..."
no, we aren't, and if an idea doesn't win we also aren't paid for all the other work we do and time we spend on this plattform.
But it's up to each of us if we accept all this, and go on taking part in contest, perhaps grumbling now and then, or just quit ...
@cross the lime: "get the copyright holder involved, let him ... take legal steps, and make this expensive and embarrassing".
well, this might sooner or later happen the other way round. stock agencies e.g. are well aware that people are tempted to nick their material.
and at least some of them do mark their material with watermarks and digitally e.g. or do use softeware to browse the web and find out where their images are used.
sooner or later this might lead them here.
:( This is so sad, I hope Victorinox and Jovoto do something about this, otherwise will be unfair for all participants
Unfortunately is too late. People who already voted those cheaters already lost their option to vote again. In any case final result will be unfair for all participants!!!
It is so sad to see the turn of events for this contest, it bother me to realize that people are selected for the final vote while their design are copying paste work from elsewhere ... but that does victorinox and jovoto! ?
I congratulate the creative designer who have done everything themselves And I really congratulate the members who searched and found the copy designs I hope that victorinox will reward those who did the job of cheater search
I spend hours finding and photographing Swiss wild animals then I cut them off and work computer and then put in associate in a design composition for this contest while others in three click to copy the design of creative real and d 'Illustrator and we put for their project in this contest and that in addition they are selected by the jury for the final vote ... I remain speechless
(Sorry for my bad English translation)
Hey Bertrandk, Did you go 'hunting' animals for photographs? That's beyond awesome. If yes, why didn't you upload a "making of as well". Many times the process is as important and even more fascinating, dare I say, than the final result.
Keep going! Diana
pour moi le mot "hunting" n'est pas juste, hunting = killing dans mon language, je n'ai jamais fait de mal aux animaux, j'essai juste de capturer de belles photos des animaux sauvages suisses, et ce dans le plus grand respect, j'essaie de ne jamais les effrayer et de rester le plus discret possible, me fondre dans leur environement... oui je suis allé photographier des chamois, des oiseaux et les lézards verts, puis j'ai travaillé mes photos pour les assembler dans des compositions tout ce que j'ai présenté pour ce concours est fait maison, et j'en suis un peu content même si j'ai rien gagné à le faire le chemin est plus important que le but! j'essaie juste de vivre en harmonie avec la nature
Google translate: For me the word "hunting" is not fair, Hunting = killing in my language, I never hurt animals, I just try to capture beautiful pictures of Swiss wild animals, with the utmost respect, I try never to frighten them and Stay as discreet as possible, melt into their environment ... Yes I went to photograph chamois, birds and green lizards, then I worked my photos to assemble in compositions all that I presented for this contest is homemade, and I am a bit content Even if I won nothing to do it the way is more important than the goal! I just try to live in harmony with nature
The owl and the floral elements are exactly as the vintage pictures. In your entry description you even say you did not use any 3rd party materials which is a lie! I do hope that Jovoto and Victorinox take action otherwise the rules are a joke.
This Projects terms and conditions: "5.2 The creative also guarantees that he will not submit or offer any content, in particular ideas or work samples, that encroach upon the rights of third parties or where content is ineligible in accordance with the above provisions. The creative must check whether his ideas and the associated works infringe the rights of third parties. Indications for such contractual infringements are given when, in particular,
5.2.1 Works subject to copyright, e.g. graphics, videos, photos or text (even when edited or alienated, unless the original can no longer be identified), are used that were not created by the creative himself;"
In view of that issues I would like to hear a direct feedback from Victorinox. I can't believe that they don't care about that. They also have their principles and code of Conduct. So lets hear what the client say. I think it would be great, if only proven designs with clear copyright owners enter the final voting stage... And there are a lot of those designs in this contest. Maybe Victorinox should not using Facebook for their voting - they can give their voters the direct link to jovoto project site. ;)
Dear Creatives,
I appreciate the "live" discussion we have here. We collect all your thoughts and tips how to improve ourselves in the future in ways of the briefing, our feedback and in the final phase of the projects. And while we are at it, that would be my request from you, to continue with it in a constructive way. I see and understand the frustration and disappointment from some of you and hope you can take the weekend to let it go and also give us time to solve it.
I am confident that we will find a way to clear it out and make our stand; jovoto & you - the community, more clear.
Have a nice weekend All the best Shir
The frustration springs, i think, from the fact that you step over your word with the jovotans in favour of the company, and consider it just a tiny procedural bug (like in the lunchbox for adidas contest) easily fixed through well placed PR moves, replies, but don`t actually try to solve the real problem. This cannot happen anymore, the world is waking up to all the junk in society. No offense, but we do the real work for the companies, and we don t like being neglected and lied about deadlines, or the "game" to be unfair. The best way to get over this, and also the fairest, would be to publically admit you failed, drop some real excuses and some payments. Also i suggest in the future to make a small section with little gifts for all the jovotans which come with at least one realist, doable, oroginal idea, could be like a Jovoto logo t-shirt or something. Start being fair, stop using the CORPORATIST way of dealing with things, and start incorporating COMPASSION,
Ok people, I don't mean to stir the pot but we've all been so concentrated on this year's entries we forgot to see that the problem strats way back at the begining of the contest at 2012 where one of the chosen 10 designs is a simple stock image: https://www.jovoto.com/projects/victorinox-2012/ideas/19678 And if you look underneath, there are comments about it. As I get it right the company pays off the creativities through the community voting and get what they like for their voting :/
@ vlad_ooo: this might be slightly different. in 2012 the brief did not mention that stock material isn't allowed. this year this was made very clear, explained and repeated several times.
but you're still right, the problems with use of stock or 3 rd party material isn't a new issue.
last year took part in a competition where 3 rd party material was allowed, if it was possible for the client's to license it. we were supposed to provide the informations and links the client would need to license 3 rd party/stock material.
there were several entrants that didn't even bother to fill in the entry form. the lines where they should state whether they did use third party material and where it could be found were left blank. nonetheless these entries did stay in the contest.
and some of them did win, and even were cc in the end.
well.... where there is more than 1 human being, and especially when money comes into play... we tend to screw things up. I dont know why out of all animals in the world, most people just picked cats & dogs!?!?
Dear creatives,
We’d like to thank you for holding high standards, making this discussion happen, and keeping it a priority. The use of third party material, and how we handle it is imperative to creating the fairest workplace for creatives.
In regular Crowdstorms it is common that creatives can use third party material to illustrate their idea as long as they clearly mention the material and its source. In the particular case of the Victorinox Limited Edition it is not: Victorinox only wants to see designs uploaded that the creative owns the exclusive rights for.
What we learn from this discussion is that not all creatives - and not even all clients - have the same idea about “third party material”. While some consider even a vague resemblance of a visual to an existing one as “stolen”, others believe that they created an exclusive visual if they reconstruct an existing design as “their own” vector-graphic.
We had an open and constructive discussion with Victorinox. They decided to take two further designs (Owl in Nature & Counting Sheep) down from the public voting because the application of the material is too close to the submitted idea, but they didn’t feel is the case of other submissions.
As said: We thank you for bringing up this issue and will work on a better and common understanding on “third party materials” amongst the designers on our platform, ourselves and our clients. Thank you again for raising awareness.
All the best, Jess & the Community Team
Thank you for the info. I have a question: will Victorinox choose other designs instead of the removed ones?
I asked the same question one week ago. But I think it is too late now. The voting process is almost done. And at the end there will be only 10 designs. It is a pitty! There could have been 3 others designs in the contest, if this problem of third party material has been solved before... :( :( :(
Oh sorry, I have been informed that I mistyped. Not only 3 designs - there could have been 6 other designs in the contest... Or more. Who knows? Only the design owners know the real truth. And if someone who has cheated by designing - not matter how - can not be proud in case of winning this voting. Because the rules were fixed before. Everyone knew. Good luck dear honest designers :)
Hi there Zsanett,
As Ramona mentioned the voting ends in 1 week, and it isn't possible at this point to add designs to the vote. The 10 final designs will be selected from the designs that are currently in the running.
All the best, Jess
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Hi Jess, Thank you for the info. Except these copyright problems this contest was a great experience. I will join next year again. :)
Agree to Ramona: Let's vote for and keep our fingers crossed for those honest & fair designers who are still in the run.
One week is nothing much, but, it is all we needed! If any replacements, which is best enough to be among the voting and meet the rules, why not give the these design another changes again? I think many of us still dream about our design becoming a real product! A week still good enough for our dream. No regret, because we had try our best to advanced into the final voting phase! Even thought we lose the voting phase, we still happy that we had made it to the final voting phase.
YEAH! Give us the chance for a new chance :)
Hi there,
It is not that we wouldn't love to give you guys a chance (!), it's just that it is not possible technically and process wise, and it would affect the date of release of the new Limited Edition. There are unfortunately many details to the mechanism. Let's vote indeed! :)
Cheers, Diana
Hello everyone, I support the idea of replacements and I see why everyone is disappointed, including me. Even though this won't be technically possible I believe now focusing on ways to avoid this issue next year is what is important. :)
That's exactly what we will do, Gergana. :)
Dear creatives,
today was the last voting day to vote in Victorinox’s site on the Limited Edition 2017. We are very excited for next week, with the announcement of the 10 Winners for this year!!!
The discussion on the final design list lead to a lot of discussion and we are very thankful for it. We were in touch with the aforementioned Creatives, and have received official statements and relative work materials.
We were also in close contact with Victorinox and they have provided the following statement: "Victorinox has been informed about the use of third-party materials in this contest and is taking it very seriously. Victorinox and jovoto checked all of the designs in question and gave the designers the opportunity to make a personal statement in response to the complaints received. Due to these statements, only 32 designs remain in the voting. Blatant copies have been removed. For next year’s competition, Victorinox and jovoto will clearly define the guidelines for the use and inspiration of third-party materials so the situation is clear and everyone is on the same page. Victorinox would like to thank all designers for their passion and the numerous submissions and we’re looking forward to a wonderful and varied Classic Limited Edition 2017!"
As Victoinox mentioned, next year we will make extra precaution to avoid a similar situation. Currently we are working on our briefs, couching our creative guides and setting better standards to make our Crowdstorms more clear and precise.
Thank you again for the wonderful submissions and ideas and for your participation & communication on jovoto! You can add your comments here or write us directly to community@jovoto.com for further questions.
Looking forward for next week All the best Shir
Congratulations to the winners!
https://www.facebook.com/Victorinox/photos/a.356386842509.155599.25750362509/10154691307952510/?type=3&theater
10 exciting, iconic and unseen designs for the Classic Limited Edition 2017 were published yesterday on Victorinox fb. Victorinox has chosen 10 strongest visual impacts and greatest stories of over 1200 designs wow!!!
Dear Creatives,
Thank you J P for your announcement, you were faster then us - and now i'll make it official:
I am very glad to announce the Victorinox Winners for the Limited Edition 2017!!! We have variety designs and a very nice mix of new jovotans and creatives that are with us for years. This year 10 chosen Designs go to:
* The idea Honey Bee from Martina Bosch * The idea The Ark from DIZAINI * The idea Coming Home from Nyan * The idea Glimmers from Concept Bre * The idea Where does the woodworm came from? from Simon Stolz * The idea Space Walk from rayrincon * The idea The Giant Panda from Jonas Hu * The idea Guacamaya - Scarlet Macaw from Romina Morales * The idea Turtles down under from Uvin * The idea Dragonfly from Janin
It was a very tough decision to choose only 10 designs from this creative pool of 1252 ideas!!! Victorinox as well as we - are looking forward for the next Limited Edition Crowdstorm with more amazing submissions - Thank you all for participating and being involved!
Let's grow together!
Yours, Shir
Huge Congrats to all of you! :)
Congratulations to all winners! Be proud that your ideas will be known worldwide ;-)
Congratulations to the winners! :)
Congratulations to all twinners! :)
Jovoto never paid my prize! :(
They just exploit us :(
D: ! It could be a mistake, they need to resolve it!
It could be but it is not!!
Be patient my friend, I think they will pay it in about 3 months.
@Andhy After so many contacts i really doubt it. They don't even reply to my emails :(